Continuing FFXI Monthly Fee Discount

[katoplepa]

We're no longer also paying for work on new content, because of ps2 limitations. Thus the price should be lowered or ps2 support demolished. I'll pay it nonetheless, until the game dies, which won't take long without expansions.

First, you don't know if SE will introduce new contents like new areas, continents, mobs, cityes and so on, even if they drop the PS2 support, maybe they'll drop support but they'll never do the newest things you hope... SE never sayd that: sorry guys, we have 2 new continent : the gigas homeland and the orcish empire, but cause ps2 limitations we keep hold it in the closet..

after that, keep in mind that the game released Wotg (not completed lineup missions) years ago and then no new contents for a while, a long while... after 3 mini-add-ons, they released 3 Abyssea add-on representing the greatest revolution in the game since 8 years, all in a total of 6 months after years of immobility... not everyone has completed the abyssea stuffs and I think we can wait longer before seeing what they have in mind for step 95 and 99 without menace to quit for lack of new contents..

[Zyeriis]

First, you don't know if SE will introduce new contents like new areas, continents, mobs, cityes and so on, even if they drop the PS2 support, maybe they'll drop support but they'll never do the newest things you hope... SE never sayd that: sorry guys, we have 2 new continent : the gigas homeland and the orcish empire, but cause ps2 limitations we keep hold it in the closet..

after that, keep in mind that the game released Wotg (not completed lineup missions) years ago and then no new contents for a while, a long while... after 3 mini-add-ons, they released 3 Abyssea add-on representing the greatest revolution in the game since 8 years, all in a total of 6 months after years of immobility... not everyone has completed the abyssea stuffs and I think we can wait longer before seeing what they have in mind for step 95 and 99 without menace to quit for lack of new contents..

You're missing the point. On the road we are on right now, with ps2 support: FFXI is doomed to stagnation. Abyssea and the add-ons didn't actually add anything new, and only Abyssea changed the game (through a rewrite rather than an extension of the game). I am fully aware they haven't announced any new content. If they announced that they will stop supporting the ps2 in a year, when they release a new expansion pack, I would find that more than reasonable.

But, again, I don't know if they'll introduce new content like new areas if they drop ps2 support (which would be simultaneous because they can't drop ps2 support if they aren't adding anything?)

At the very least, dropping the ps2 would mean there's at least a chance that they'd add content such as that, as they would be freed from those ridiculous constraints.

[Chronofantasy]

Don't worry, I doubt SE will finish the game and they probably have another expansion in the works or nearly done. If it's not a full expansion then it's at least mini expansion add-ons. By the way, does SE still have two separate teams that work on expansions? I remember reading a long time ago that there's two SE teams that alternate on expansions like one worked on CoP while the other worked on Aht Urgan and the one who worked on CoP worked on WotG or something like that.

[LunaticVoice]

I just found out that people who bought XIV were not getting discounts because the billing cycle didn't start, I made this post assuming they did (since it is advertised on the XIV site) and made an error in doing so.

However, I do think the game needs to be more conducive to new and returning players on the account/billing side as well as the game itself. Why does PlayOnline still exist when everyone hates it? Do enough people play the PS2 version that it has to be maintained? I don't see why SE doesn't just comp PS2 users the game and cut off support, it seems to just be holding back the development of the game.

I agree that the game deserves a subscription fee, but I just think it needs to made more convenient to sign up for since modern gamers expect at least a base level of convenience and support that is not offered by SE. My problem is mostly with PlayOnline and I wish they'd just switch everything over to the Square Enix Account Management System since that seems to work quite well.

[Alhanelem]

Greetings,

I have started this thread as a request to continue the discount to the Final Fantasy XI monthly fee when also subscribed to Final Fantasy XIV. I am considering going back to XI and that would solidify my decision. My other suggestion is that if a continued discount is not feasible, offer a free month of play for new or returning XI players who also bought XIV. I have hope for XIV, but currently there isn't a lot to do so I want something to enjoy while the XIV updates continue to progress. If you agree or have further suggestions, please post them in this thread.

The discount has never been applied due to the fact that everyone is still in a free trial period. It's actually uknown at this point if we will get the discount when FFXIV finally becomes a paid service.

[Krashport]

The discount has never been applied due to the fact that everyone is still in a free trial period. It's actually uknown at this point if we will get the discount when FFXIV finally becomes a paid service.

So... People Bought FFXIV... 75-ish$? Those people put in for the discount as to where you can cut FFXI price... Now those people have to wait... Until FFXIV is fixed, In order to get that discount? Hmmm sounds unfair to me. I know those people aren't paying for FFXIV but then again those people didn't know it was in Beta form when it was released, Did the Box that it came in say: Beta also after all those people paid 75ish!!! for a game....

[RAIST]

Content probably wasn't the right word. Perhaps I should've added an adjective. The problem here is there are so many adjectives I could've added. Such as: New Job Content, New Area Content, Non-rehashed textures Content, Full-length expansive Content, Expansion-pack level Content, the list goes on. Abbysea didn't add anything that was actually new to the game. You can argue that it added quests but, again, that's not what I am refering to. I want things like CoP and ToAU and WotG which are now impossibilities, yet I am still paying the same price per month.

Abyssea wasn't new content it was zones that already existed reskinned with different mobs that were just rehashes of mobs outside of abyssea. Don't get me wrong, it's fun, but it's not really new content, just different quests and items in rehashed zones.

New quests and cutscenes/dialogues, new items, new mobs, and reskined mobs/areas added with the add-ons are technically new content--as in it is still new entries in the database and DID increase the size of the games footprint as it increased the contents of the game folder's size and/or file count. The bigger difference in the expansions is they added all new zones with new mobs specific to their areas--but both TAU and WotG ALSO had reskinned mobs with updated stats (and WotG did a lot of reskinning of the zones, most the orginal wireframes are intact)--some mobs weren't even reskinned, just renamed and given different stats.

You should actually be lobbying for more UNIQUE content--as in new zones, new unique monsters.

[Zyeriis]

New quests and cutscenes/dialogues, new items, new mobs, and reskined mobs/areas added with the add-ons are technically new content--as in it is still new entries in the database and DID increase the size of the games footprint as it increased the contents of the game folder's size and/or file count. The bigger difference in the expansions is they added all new zones with new mobs specific to their areas--but both TAU and WotG ALSO had reskinned mobs with updated stats (and WotG did a lot of reskinning of the zones, most the orginal wireframes are intact)--some mobs weren't even reskinned, just renamed and given different stats.

You should actually be lobbying for more UNIQUE content--as in new zones, new unique monsters.

Eh, WotG added Campaign and 3 new zones. Other than that, yeah, you're right. I've argued in the past that WotG was the starting point for the ps2 truly holding us back but, it still did actually add some extra layers to the game, but it was the last instance of this. As for ToAU, it had way more than that. WotG and ToAU also added jobs (I guess CoP didn't but it more than made up for that). These are the things that are pretty much impossible now given what they've been giving us since 2008. Either way: I don't see us getting any full blown expansion packs again unless ps2 is dropped, so I don't feel we should be paying the same price until such a time. But again, I will regardless, in hope that it will change before things become too stagnant and the game dies.

[NightDagger]

Eh, WotG added Campaign and 3 new zones. Other than that, yeah, you're right. I've argued in the past that WotG was the starting point for the ps2 truly holding us back but, it still did actually add some extra layers to the game, but it was the last instance of this. As for ToAU, it had way more than that. WotG and ToAU also added jobs (I guess CoP didn't but it more than made up for that). These are the things that are pretty much impossible now given what they've been giving us since 2008. Either way: I don't see us getting any full blown expansion packs again unless ps2 is dropped, so I don't feel we should be paying the same price until such a time. But again, I will regardless, in hope that it will change before things become too stagnant and the game dies.

I do agree with this. We have been paying same price for years & for years were getting our money's worth. You have a point that we are paying for nothing expect being able to play now. They suckered us into spend $60 bucks for 6 add-ons, with only 4 of them being worth it. I know I only paid 10 bucks for ToAU when it was released & it was well worth it, not $10 for an add-on.

Good points, good argument.

Should DEV Tag these idea's & see if you get any kind of answer ^^

[Zumi]

SE will never drop PS2 support. Suggesting it is like beating a dead horse. Still like 1/3 of the JP player base plays on PS2.

From a business point of view they would lose so many subs and money. Its not going to happen people.