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    Player Edyth's Avatar
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    Leveling adventuring fellows is brutally slow at high levels

    My fellow is level 91. The double experience weekend let me level her up from 89, and I don't plan on working on her more until the next double experience weekend or until she can go to Adoulin.

    It takes several hundred easy prey enemies for her to level up. I level her up in Zeruhn Mines because there is active GoV participation there, there's no aggro or linking, the monsters are easily soloable if there's no one else there, and the pace is good.

    I could go to a nastier GoV area, but I'm just leveling up my goofy ass adventuring fellow, and I feel like the reduction in kill speed and the increased dangers wouldn't make it worth it.

    I would like it if there were an item to increase fellows' experience gain. I suggest that the food items such as Homemade Risotto from the tactics pearl quest have this effect. 1 experience boost per week is less than players get and is not overpowered.

    I would also like the opening of Adoulin to adventuring fellows to be implemented faster. We could all use the help with Reives and farming in Adoulin, and the experience gain would be better, and in Adoulin, the adventuring fellow would not just be for lolz.
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    Wouldn't it make more sense to kill higher level targets as the fellow only gains EXP from monsters killed and not from the FoV/GoV completion or did I miss something and they changed them to gain exp from page completion?
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    Player Edyth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    Wouldn't it make more sense to kill higher level targets as the fellow only gains EXP from monsters killed and not from the FoV/GoV completion or did I miss something and they changed them to gain exp from page completion?
    Why would it make sense? Her experience doesn't change with GoV, but mine does. I might as well make the most of the massive time sink that adventuring fellows are.

    GoV targets also go high enough that I could target max-NPC-experience-per-kill monsters if I wanted to do so. However, I'm not aware of a great location to do that. I will give Fei'Yin a shot, as Mirage suggests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edyth View Post
    Why would it make sense? Her experience doesn't change with GoV, but mine does. I might as well make the most of the massive time sink that adventuring fellows are.

    GoV targets also go high enough that I could target max-NPC-experience-per-kill monsters if I wanted to do so. However, I'm not aware of a great location to do that. I will give Fei'Yin a shot, as Mirage suggests.
    Check out the basement of Garlaige or the Donut Room in Crawlers Nest. Both have higher level mobs, and GoV pages as well.
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    You need to level him or her on mobs that are 6 levels above her to get max exp. If she's 90, you should be targeting mobs that are DC, or close to EM. If she is 94, you probably need to head into T territory to do it at a reasonable pace. I generally did it on FeiYin big bats, they are lv97-98ish, I think. I didn't think it was all that slow when I did it on DNC99.

    Sorry to burst your bubble though. If allthey do is give the fellows another 4 levels, they will be "just for lolz" in adoulin as well, as they would be unable to heal you reliably or deal anything that resembles decent damage. They are horribly underpowered compared to our own "level 99s". They need gear that at least put them on par with a player wearing "content level 100" gear, going by SE's gear tier system that they seem to have adopted now. That'd be something to spend all our fellow points on, at least. Bayld *3 fellow points to get the bayld armor, for example, or just add some quests in SoA where we unlock better "roles" for them to take. These new roles could come with higher combat performance included, if implementing actual gear for NPCs is too much work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirage View Post
    You need to level him or her on mobs that are 6 levels above her to get max exp. If she's 90, you should be targeting mobs that are DC, or close to EM. If she is 94, you probably need to head into T territory to do it at a reasonable pace. I generally did it on FeiYin big bats, they are lv97-98ish, I think. I didn't think it was all that slow when I did it on DNC99.

    Sorry to burst your bubble though. If allthey do is give the fellows another 4 levels, they will be "just for lolz" in adoulin as well, as they would be unable to heal you reliably or deal anything that resembles decent damage. They are horribly underpowered compared to our own "level 99s". They need gear that at least put them on par with a player wearing "content level 100" gear, going by SE's gear tier system that they seem to have adopted now. That'd be something to spend all our fellow points on, at least. Bayld *3 fellow points to get the bayld armor, for example, or just add some quests in SoA where we unlock better "roles" for them to take. These new roles could come with higher combat performance included, if implementing actual gear for NPCs is too much work.
    You understand that when you are a lower level the NPC syncs down to you, and gains XP based on that level right?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    You understand that when you are a lower level the NPC syncs down to you, and gains XP based on that level right?
    You understand you're the first person to mention Level Syncing? Instead of coming off like a douche you could have reworded that suggesting Level Syncing with a friend(s) who happen to have lower level jobs would be a great way to level your fellow as it would allow for maximum EXP gain while generally reducing the monster kill time. Assuming they changed the fellow to be usable during level sync.
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    Last edited by Zagen; 06-09-2013 at 02:09 AM.

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    Player Alhanelem's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    You understand you're the first person to mention Level Syncing? Instead of coming off like a douche you could have reworded that suggesting Level Syncing with a friend(s) who happen to have lower level jobs would be a great way to level your fellow as it would allow for maximum EXP gain while generally reducing the monster kill time. Assuming they changed the fellow to be usable during level sync.
    You understand it wasn't my intention to be a douche, and it wasn't necessary to be one in return? (both that time and this time, it's intended as tongue-in-cheek)

    ....

    Anyway, I thought this was common knowledge. when you're level 5-10 killing enemies that give 2-300 EXP easily, your NPC still gets that much, even if they're level 90. It's generally easier than trying to do it in the mid to upper levels because Grounds of Valor is typically done on weak mobs that don't give much XP and they can't go to abyssea. When I'm leveling a lower job I always solo with the NPC because it's the best oppertunity to get him XP. This doesn't help if you already have all jobs 99, but it is an option for many.

    Unless recently changed, you are wrong. If the npc syncs down, she or he does not gain exp based on their now lower level.
    I'm not wrong. It has always been this way. my NPC levels up much faster when I'm leveling a new job than when I try using it to solo things closer to its/my level. The closer he/she is to 99, the more true this will be. If your NPC is far below you, they will be getting cap EXP on mobs you can easily kill; but once that's no longer possible, this is a good way to get XP for the NPC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    You understand it wasn't my intention to be a douche, and it wasn't necessary to be one in return? (both that time and this time, it's intended as tongue-in-cheek)

    ....

    Anyway, I thought this was common knowledge. when you're level 5-10 killing enemies that give 2-300 EXP easily, your NPC still gets that much, even if they're level 90. It's generally easier than trying to do it in the mid to upper levels because Grounds of Valor is typically done on weak mobs that don't give much XP and they can't go to abyssea. When I'm leveling a lower job I always solo with the NPC because it's the best oppertunity to get him XP. This doesn't help if you already have all jobs 99, but it is an option for many.

    I'm not wrong. It has always been this way. my NPC levels up much faster when I'm leveling a new job than when I try using it to solo things closer to its/my level. The closer he/she is to 99, the more true this will be. If your NPC is far below you, they will be getting cap EXP on mobs you can easily kill; but once that's no longer possible, this is a good way to get XP for the NPC.
    I used to do this all the time (and I mean a LOT), and I have never seen my NPC level up, or even change from "I've just levelled up" to "I'm nearly halfway there" or whatever.

    As far as I'm aware, or have ever seen any proof of, your NPC gains exp based on their actual level vs mobs level, and if you are much lower than their level, they get nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alhanelem View Post
    You understand that when you are a lower level the NPC syncs down to you, and gains XP based on that level right?
    Unless recently changed, you are wrong. If the npc syncs down, she or he does not gain exp based on their now lower level.
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