More Paladin-centered shields needed to close the gap with Aegis & Ochain

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

I feel they should work on this for tanks, and somehow nerf Aegis/Ochain (small nerf please!)

They are getting nerfed, effectively. Shields (and instruments) are being specifically left out of whatever plans they have to upgrade RMECs one last time.

[Zagen]

They are getting nerfed, effectively. Shields (and instruments) are being specifically left out of whatever plans they have to upgrade RMECs one last time.

Considering those changes are to bring R/E/M up to par with Delve weapons how exactly is that nerfing items that weren't out classed by Delve weapons (none in instrument's case)?

[OmnysValefor]

They are getting nerfed, effectively. Shields (and instruments) are being specifically left out of whatever plans they have to upgrade RMECs one last time.

They were left out because they weren't replaced. When people first got ahold of item lists, there was curiousity about the steadfast shield, in hopes that it would be some sort of stepping stone, but noone asked "What about my Gjallarchain?"

[Demon6324236]

They were left out because they weren't replaced. When people first got ahold of item lists, there was curiousity about the steadfast shield, in hopes that it would be some sort of stepping stone, but noone asked "What about my Gjallarchain?"

Exactly, shields do not need a boost because they are fine and were not effected by the new items in the least. Weapons on the other hand were completely trashed, every Delve weapon is the best weapon of its category so far as I know. Even the MAB staff beats all other nuking staffs and SMN staff beats Nirvana, so really weapons were completely trashed. Now on the other hand, there is no new instrument, and Steadfast is good but does not come close to Ochain without some block rate enhancement, Aegis goes without saying is still the top because there is no other way to break the cap, Steadfast lets you stack on some more MDB at best, which does not even come close to a comparison with Aegis.

[Radd]

If you wish to play a DD job for something, you will be competing with other DDs for a spot in the group. Since SE made relic, empyrean, and delve weapons easy enough for a lot of people to obtain, you will inevitably be competing with players of that caliber. With this in mind, given a choice, why should the group leader invite you over one of those other players with a superior weapon?

Relevant to this topic, apparently Aegis/Ochain must be easy enough for many PLDs to obtain if group leaders can afford to be picky about their tanks. Despite that, I do feel there should be an intermediate shield option to hold people over while they work on the ultimate shields.

Getting an Empy weapon to 85 is pretty damn easy and quick and doesn't have as many hoops to jump through as trying to get T3 pops for colorless souls. Some of them can be a pain to get due to the KIs to get (Great Axe) but others like Saladbowl/Fudo-to-Shoha Spam Machine and Almace/Kannagi are pretty simple. Most of these can be done with 2 players or a dual boxer. The shield however you need at least a few dedicated players, Ironclads can be annoying, and I won't even get into how silly the T3 farming is.

Also you can skip this step entirely and just go straight for a Delve weapon which again, pretty easy to get, meanwhile you can't with the shield as it is the bar of par. If you can't understand this, you obviously haven't tried to do anything on Paladin. Who cares if group leaders can be picky about their tanks? If a majority of players just eventually stop playing because of ideas like that, then no one gets to do anything.

The game mindset currently keeps players who haven't broken through a threshold back, while people on top just soar higher and higher with ease. Eventually players get bored of the mindset, and move on.

[Karah]

Attestations are Rare/Ex and you can't enter Dynamis to receive the drop because you have to be level 65 or higher to unlock Dynamis.

Incorrect, you can mule attestations.

[Hawklaser]

Incorrect, you can mule attestations.

Ok, you can mule attestations, that doesn't change the fact need to have a level 65+ to access Dynamis to receive the drop in the first place. So all you have proven is a Mule can make a Relic with enough gil and nothing else.

I agree there needs to be a good, acceptable stepping stone prior to aegis and ochain. Now with all the arguments going on about people being lazy and not wanting to get aegis, ochain, or any other RME, keep in mind the investments needed to obtain them. Which can become trivial once you are already set up and well established, but for someone new or just returning, they won't necessarily have the gil to just buy a relic or mythic, and the atmas and stones to go grind out any empyrean they want.

The big reason I say keep in mind the investment needed to obtain one is because a player that is not already well established is likely only going to work on one for a job they know they enjoy. Most DD jobs its much easier to tell if one enjoys them or not because they usually function the same with or without a party. Tanks, supports, and healers are much harder to tell if one likes without frequent partying as their play style tends to be different when solo or in a group. So when one of the main tanks of the game needs a huge investment in it to be used in its intended role, makes it very hard for someone to truly evaluate the job with the game in its current state. And how many people are going to put a significant investment of limited resources just to be able to see if they enjoy a job when they may already have a known enjoyable job that could also benefit from the same investment?

[Fynlar]

They can't add anything that is stronger than aegischain because it would break the game, basically.

Yep, and it would break the game too if they made anything stronger than RME weapons!

...Oh wait

[Mirage]

No, it wouldn't.

[radiationbots]

Yep, and it would break the game too if they made anything stronger than RME weapons!

...Oh wait

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