More Paladin-centered shields needed to close the gap with Aegis & Ochain

[Radd]

Honestly, how hard is it to make an Aegis? a Month? 2 months? 2 hours a day, i mean really, it's childsplay.

I will give it up that Ochain, is by and large possibly the most soul-crushing (lol) thing in the game right now... VNM color changes are obnoxious to the 15th degree. But, that's another (actually SEVERAL) other threads...

The real question you should ask yourself is "Can I complete this alone with the job I want to use it on?" That's the main problem I've found with this game lately. You either need to level a bunch of other jobs to do what you need to do, or you need help from people. It's pretty bad game design, and since you are right about PLD getting snubbed to the side after time goes on, why shouldn't there be other shields that are almost up to snuff in this sense? Why would anyone have to make these shields just to play the game on a class they want to try?

RME should not be a mandatory requirement to play the game, this is the part I don't know why anyone defends.

Why does anyone have to slave away in a boring event just to remotely have any fun with the game? What sense does that make? Any other DD at this point can get a Delve weapon in 8 hours and be up to par, but for a PLD, they have to grind out shields to even be up to par with expectations. Something is wrong here, and you know it.

[Karah]

The real question you should ask yourself is "Can I complete this alone with the job I want to use it on?" That's the main problem I've found with this game lately.

Yes, a level 1 character with zero skills/no subjob, can obtain an Aegis. You can outright buy it without ever touching any aspect of the game other than crafting/fishing/farming.

You either need to level a bunch of other jobs to do what you need to do, or you need help from people.

The MAJOR selling point of FFXI is that you are NOT locked into playing a single job, this is a double-edged sword. There is the benefit of being ABLE to play all jobs, but it makes it common practice, to even REQUIRE certain jobs being leveled.

It's pretty bad game design, and since you are right about PLD getting snubbed to the side after time goes on, why shouldn't there be other shields that are almost up to snuff in this sense? Why would anyone have to make these shields just to play the game on a class they want to try?

No one should "be interested" in paladin, knowing the game they're playing, and the people who populate this game, sad but true. If you're "interested" in something, you should know what the minimum requirements are, which is, the only viable shield.

RME should not be a mandatory requirement to play the game, this is the part I don't know why anyone defends.

The problem is, they're not REQUIRED but the players capable of obtaining them, are USUALLY of a higher caliber of player, which is why they SEEM to be required.
This was in reference to RME -not- Shields.

Why does anyone have to slave away in a boring event just to remotely have any fun with the game? What sense does that make? Any other DD at this point can get a Delve weapon in 8 hours and be up to par, but for a PLD, they have to grind out shields to even be up to par with expectations. Something is wrong here, and you know it.

FFXI hasn't been "FUN" in a long time... it's a mathematics exam. You laugh at the people who turn it in too fast, you try to do/be the best (that you can be/do).

It -is- wrong that there is no new shield (and instrument) but realistically, how can you make a shield on par with Ochain, without enraging anyone who spent WEEKS doing SOULCRUSHING colorless farming. It's a thin red line that will be crossed eventually.

[Radd]

Yes, a level 1 character with zero skills/no subjob, can obtain an Aegis. You can outright buy it without ever touching any aspect of the game other than crafting/fishing/farming.

Bad game design.

The MAJOR selling point of FFXI is that you are NOT locked into playing a single job, this is a double-edged sword. There is the benefit of being ABLE to play all jobs, but it makes it common practice, to even REQUIRE certain jobs being leveled.

This is still a bad game design method if I need to level other jobs to acquire a certain job only piece through trials for... you guessed it, that job only. Bolding, capping and underlining doesn't make your point hit harder, it just seems tacky.

No one should "be interested" in paladin, knowing the game they're playing, and the people who populate this game, sad but true. If you're "interested" in something, you should know what the minimum requirements are, which is, the only viable shield.

So again, you just confirmed to everyone that for anyone to play Paladin, they need to grind out for months to get a viable shield, while every other job can be viable alone mostly by just playing the game or doing Delve. How do you not see that this is a problem?

The problem is, they're not REQUIRED but the players capable of obtaining them, are USUALLY of a higher caliber of player, which is why they SEEM to be required.

This is the opposite of what you just said.

FFXI hasn't been "FUN" in a long time... it's a mathematics exam. You laugh at the people who turn it in too fast, you try to do/be the best (that you can be/do).

It -is- wrong that there is no new shield (and instrument) but realistically, how can you make a shield on par with Ochain, without enraging anyone who spent WEEKS doing SOULCRUSHING colorless farming. It's a thin red line that will be crossed eventually.

They shouldn't have made Ochain so powerful that it is the only shield you need next to Aegis. It gives players no other alternatives other than grinding out nonsense for weeks at a time. As said before, no other job (except for maybe BRD horn) has to tolerate doing this, as Delve is now an alternate, and quicker option to get into the game and get stuff done.

They spent weeks on it? Good for them, still doesn't solve the problem at hand that it's a complete bottleneck to do the T3 stuff either, nor there is any entry level shields for level 99 that are viably useable for more than just "looking nice."

[Karah]

See the obvious answer is to improve the ways to obtain Ochain, -NOT- make newer, better, easier to obtain shields.

That in essence is the biggest gripe I see with this entire thread.

This whole thread is relegated to;

WHY ARE COLORLESS SOULS SO DAMN ANNOYING?

The answer is, it is the best, and only shield you should/could/would ever use (except for magic damage) it SHOULD be difficult to obtain.

Everything else, is irrelevant (Aegis is so easy to get you're not allowed to complain about it).

[Radd]

See the obvious answer is to improve the ways to obtain Ochain, -NOT- make newer, better, easier to obtain shields.

That in essence is the biggest gripe I see with this entire thread.

This whole thread is relegated to;

WHY ARE COLORLESS SOULS SO DAMN ANNOYING?

The answer is, it is the best, and only shield you should/could/would ever use (except for magic damage) it SHOULD be difficult to obtain.

Everything else, is irrelevant (Aegis is so easy to get you're not allowed to complain about it).

Which still comes back to, the only way you can play on Paladin, is if you grind out Ochain or Aegis. Which was the damn point of the thread in the first place. As you put it, "The answer is, it is the best, and only shield you should/could/would ever use."

...And you don't see a problem with any of this? lol

[Karah]

Not even a shred of a possibility of a problem.

Hike up your dress, put down your purse, hit some mobs, and get your Shield, or play a real job. In a couple months everyone will be crying that paladin has no use anymore (again).

[Radd]

Not even a shred of a possibility of a problem.

Hike up your dress, put down your purse, hit some mobs, and get your Shield, or play a real job. In a couple months everyone will be crying that paladin has no use anymore (again).

Then why bother wasting time grinding it out for so long if it's going to be useless? The logical step would to either have a middle ground or make the other two shields much quicker to obtain. From a game balance point of view, why do you want this to go on? Because you tortured yourself enough to do it? What the hell is a "real job" in this game by the way?

[Mirage]

Whatever is the top DPS in the game at any given moment in time, of course. What else?

Bandwagon Fantasy XI. You're not supposed to like jobs, you're supposed to like the numbers in your chat log.

[OmnysValefor]

It's even a possibility that BST pets might be tanking again. You can "lolbst", but trading 2 tanks and 2 healers for two bsts, a dps, and one healer is still faster kills and healing for the dps in the "tank" party.

It's impossible right now, I'm sure, but with new pets that will probably be higher level than players (regardless of jug level), it's feasible that it could happen. The pet being higher level than its target is a large factor in the pet's ability to tank it. That, and proper choice of pet and proper master's gear.

Even if the bst just had to idle with the pet, it's still more practical if it was ever feasible. No, I don't think bst pets will ever be tanking current content nm's, but we'll likely be plasm farming these zones for a long long time unless new zones, or tiers of zones just roflstomp them in plasm returned despite difficulty.

[Demon6324236]

Someone's butt-hurt. My post says anything and everything valid to this topic, to the point you could even close it, with an enough said statement. There is no possible valid argument you could conceivably have against anything I said.

Show me any other job that is completely and utterly denied from parties requesting the job if it lacks one or two difficult items to obtain. When I say difficult I do not mean hard necessarily, I mean items of which are either hard, or highly time taking enough that the average person would not be willing to do it for a job they may or may not end up playing/enjoying.