Aegis > RUN

[Cljader1]

Lets face it RUN cannot tank, and more importantly run is NOT being allowed to tank. Aegis Pld is better than run is almost every capacity. Aegis for Pld have a -45% mdt reduction against ALL elements not to mention a high block rate for physical attacks. Run tanks cannot hold NM mobs because enhancing magic is weak and take too long to cast. Moreover the rehashing of low tier spells from other jobs, lack of original magic lead run into what other see as a joke job.

I know the job is not finished but the Aegis shield alone beat the entire run job class as it refers to tanking, its disappointing to see this but it is the truth. Ninja is far better than run, pup with alternator out tanks run. The 2hr is not really useful, nullifying magic really have no value, because right after that one physical attack and I'm dead. The 2hr ability must be changed to absorb magical attacks for 30 seconds, that would be a good 2hr especially do to the rarity of mobs killing you with magic. Run was terribly rushed and honestly I do not know what they can do to fix it, anything short of giving run job traits or piece of equipment like aegis the job will never be able to tank or magic tank.

[Volarione]

Give us fast cast to reapply shields would help.

[Babekeke]

Lets face it RUN cannot tank, and more importantly run is NOT being allowed to tank. Aegis Pld is better than run is almost every capacity. Aegis for Pld have a -45% mdt reduction against ALL elements not to mention a high block rate for physical attacks. Run tanks cannot hold NM mobs because enhancing magic is weak and take too long to cast. Moreover the rehashing of low tier spells from other jobs, lack of original magic lead run into what other see as a joke job.

I know the job is not finished but the Aegis shield alone beat the entire run job class as it refers to tanking, its disappointing to see this but it is the truth. Ninja is far better than run, pup with alternator out tanks run. The 2hr is not really useful, nullifying magic really have no value, because right after that one physical attack and I'm dead. The 2hr ability must be changed to absorb magical attacks for 30 seconds, that would be a good 2hr especially do to the rarity of mobs killing you with magic. Run was terribly rushed and honestly I do not know what they can do to fix it, anything short of giving run job traits or piece of equipment like aegis the job will never be able to tank or magic tank.

Speak for yourself, I'm quite happy with RUN's ability to tank.

[Cljader1]

Speak for yourself, I'm quite happy with RUN's ability to tank.

If your happy with run tanking, you must not be familiar with aegis pld tanking.

[Babekeke]

Right now, RUN can happily tank level 99 content (Arch-ultima/omega etc). That's not bad considering we have no merits/AF/relic/empy gear, nor do we have a 'special weapon/grip/ammo' since we can't use shields.

Once we get merits/af/empy/relic gear, RUN should be able to tank adoulin content (if SE don't change their minds and give merits etc for DDing instead of tanking). But we shall see.

Tanking on RUN requires more thought than tanking on PLD, sure, but that doesn't mean that the job is bad.

[Cljader1]

Once we get merits/af/empy/relic gear, RUN should be able to tank adoulin content (if SE don't change their minds and give merits etc for DDing instead of tanking). But we shall see.

Unless they solve the issue of dealing with multi element casting mobs and our paper bag defense, aegis pld will always be a better option.

oh boy. here we go with the "aegis" pld vs rune thing again. are you seriously going to compare a 100 mil relic shield etc vs a job without there ultimate weapon yet? dont remember pld tanking magic well back then till that ultimate shield came out. anyways so far the job works very well in the magic def. useful protecting your whole pt members with magic or magic TP. while testing it out on Orthrus etc was eating Acheron Flame for like 90+ dmg or so spamming Valiance/magic shield for members, dmg 200-300. without would be 1400+ or so.

this job came out not to long ago and iam starting to see how strong/useful it can be. in time once it gets all the buffs then let compare the jobs on a fair level.

Run has it ultimate weapon/gear its called "Delve" and it take more that a 100 mil gil to max out those pieces. Comparing Aegis to the run job its completely fair, Our wards and runes are a complete joke compared to the aegis shield. Furthermore SE have plans to even enhance the aegis shield, as with all relics. One for all and valiance is the only abilities we offer that helps protect the whole pt. Run is a support dd at best and SE needs to do something. Redo SP ability and for the love of god, fix liement ward it is aweful.

[Alpheus]

Furthermore SE have plans to even enhance the aegis shield, as with all relics.

I'm pretty sure they said Instruments and Shields would be exempt from the forthcoming revamp of super weapons. I do agree with you though RUN's paper bag physical defense is appalling.

[Zirael]

Right now, RUN can happily tank level 99 content (Arch-ultima/omega etc). That's not bad considering we have no merits/AF/relic/empy gear, nor do we have a 'special weapon/grip/ammo' since we can't use shields.

Once we get merits/af/empy/relic gear, RUN should be able to tank adoulin content (if SE don't change their minds and give merits etc for DDing instead of tanking). But we shall see.

Tanking on RUN requires more thought than tanking on PLD, sure, but that doesn't mean that the job is bad.

Not to pop your bubble Babekeke, but any job able to equip PDT/MDT can tank Arch-Omega/Ultima with a friendly WHM/SCH in the backline. OP is talking about content which currently is handled solely by Aegis/Ochain PLD. Delve NMs, Naakuals, Naakual megabosses etc. If RUN can't handle those equally well as PLD, then it can't be called a real tank. Looking at the damage output, it can't be called damage dealer either. A "wasted party slot" would fit the best. A very well geared PLD (supported by one-two healers) can hold all five NMs during Morimar plasm farm, for example. One of those NMs spams magic a lot. Other one has nasty breath attack. Can RUN do the same type of tanking? Can RUN tank Tojil? That's what bothers the OP.

[nyheen]

oh boy. here we go with the "aegis" pld vs rune thing again. are you seriously going to compare a 100 mil relic shield etc vs a job without there ultimate weapon yet? dont remember pld tanking magic well back then till that ultimate shield came out. anyways so far the job works very well in the magic def. useful protecting your whole pt members with magic or magic TP. while testing it out on Orthrus etc was eating Acheron Flame for like 90+ dmg or so spamming Valiance/magic shield for members, dmg 200-300. without would be 1400+ or so.

this job came out not to long ago and iam starting to see how strong/useful it can be. in time once it gets all the buffs then let compare the jobs on a fair level.

[Babekeke]

Ummm... RUN's 'paper bag physical defense'?

My RUN has -47% PDT (-34% if I'm using Bereaver). Use the right food and you can have well over 700 def BEFORE cocoon or defender.

The only reason people see RUN as having 'paper bag physical defense' is because they're gearing to DD.