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    First, why are you even commenting in a negative manner and your skills are nowhere near capped. I dont even have melee merited and my sharpshot skill is 388 capped. Please dont be so eager to try and disprove someone especially if its clear that PUP is not even your main. With that said, here is your proof. Alot more info in this thread thanks to Sylow.

    http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/38...esearch-thread

    The last comment presently on page 7 sums it up for gimped skills.
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    Last edited by Darthmaull; 06-20-2013 at 09:54 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthmaull View Post
    First, why are you even commenting in a negative manner and your skills are nowhere near capped. I dont even have melee merited and my sharpshot skill is 388 capped. Please dont be so eager to try and disprove someone especially if its clear that PUP is not even your main. With that said, here is your proof. Alot more info in this thread thanks to Sylow.

    http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/38...esearch-thread

    The last comment presently on page 7 sums it up for gimped skills.
    I've been following that thread and it doesn't prove anything about how much ACC/RACC Alternator gives. I commented on your post because your post is filled with misinformation at best. You don't mention capped skill and you also don't mention targets, 2 very important things to note because Alternator and/or Rigor don't auto cap an automaton regardless of skill or target.

    Did you even note the post you're talking about? Here I bolded the key part:

    The only time it is a factor is like if you dont have capped skill (I know, be less gimp) or at a certain skill threshold.
    No one has quantified the accuracy/ranged accuracy bonus given. My 1 parse which isn't enough to get a concrete number is thus far the only numbers I've seen and that's because at the time of parsing I was gimped in melee skills.

    My PUP wasn't a Valoredge main before Alternator/Rigor existed. All my skills are capped now, I hadn't bothered with valor frame because I didn't have a need for it, still don't actually. I only bothered capping melee because Sharpshot is able to tank a lot of things it couldn't before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    No it doesn't. At 320 melee skill my auto parsed 65% accuracy on normal fracture monsters, while that's much higher than most players rocking a 320 skilled weapon but it still doesn't auto cap acc/racc. One Morimar fracture run is far from what I'd consider anything concrete but there's no way a 30% difference in accuracy would count as a margin of error.

    If we were to consider my one parse as remotely reliable data (too small of a sample size tbh) that would put the Alternator's Accuracy Bonus around 175 assuming it's a fixed accuracy bonus. That would put us at capped accuracy with capped skill (technically around 390) against Delve fodder assuming that's a static bonus.

    Now if you have extensive tests showing that Alternator puts a capped skill puppet at 95% ACC/RACC on various targets I'd love to see that as I'm sure so would others who're interested in how much Alternator has improved the Atuomaton.
    So in one day you have capped your skills? Ok. The tests were given on the first page and that thread has much more information on what the Alternator does for the Auto. Much more info then any thread on any forum that I know of.


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    Alternator\Accuracy + Ranged Accuracy

    Parsed a couple of delve farms with RNG Automaton - Auto has capped ACC and RACC on everything
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthmaull View Post
    So in one day you have capped your skills? Ok.
    Herp-a-derp that 65% I referenced is about a month old shortly after getting Alternator...

    Quote Originally Posted by Darthmaull View Post
    Parsed a couple of delve farms with RNG Automaton - Auto has capped ACC and RACC on everything
    Again doesn't actually give the accuracy levels all that shows is that an Automaton is gaining at least 135~190 ACC/RACC. Also "Accuracy + Ranged Accuracy" is a bit confusing I assume that means Rigor but it isn't explained if that is what it means then subtract 20.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    I've been following that thread and it doesn't prove anything about how much ACC/RACC Alternator gives. I commented on your post because your post is filled with misinformation at best. You don't mention capped skill and you also don't mention targets, 2 very important things to note because Alternator and/or Rigor don't auto cap an automaton regardless of skill or target.

    Did you even note the post you're talking about? Here I bolded the key part:



    No one has quantified the accuracy/ranged accuracy bonus given. My 1 parse which isn't enough to get a concrete number is thus far the only numbers I've seen and that's because at the time of parsing I was gimped in melee skills.

    My PUP wasn't a Valoredge main before Alternator/Rigor existed. All my skills are capped now, I hadn't bothered with valor frame because I didn't have a need for it, still don't actually. I only bothered capping melee because Sharpshot is able to tank a lot of things it couldn't before.

    http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/38...esearch-thread

    There is the link again. You seemed to have missed it. And capping just Sharpshot melee skill is 388, Valoredge is 427 and you did this in one day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darthmaull View Post
    http://www.ffxiah.com/forum/topic/38...esearch-thread

    There is the link again. You seemed to have missed it. And capping just Sharpshot melee skill is 388, Valoredge is 427 and you did this in one day?
    Sorry I didn't think it needed to be spelled out I capped melee on Valoredge because it doesn't have ranged attacks reducing melee swings and what's that link supposed to point to? And again I didn't do this in 1 day I actually did it over a couple of weeks.

    Edit: I just took a second look at my quick math and if I am correct in that the Accuracy/Ranged Accuracy is talking about Rigor's bonus then that would put the upper cap around 170 which would match up with my all be it small sample size estimating a 175 bonus.

    It would be interesting if there were others who were gimped in skill that happen to have alternator to see if their numbers add up.
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    Last edited by Zagen; 06-20-2013 at 04:20 PM.

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    Or....Just an idea. There's this other wind based attachment called a Scope that could offset the accuracy penalty by 40 with 3 wind maneuvers up.
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