unlocking WSs

[Demon6324236]

Finally just giving Xcal CDC won't fix the issue as it immediately loses 30% of it's melee damage vs Almace, 50% if you have time to prepare for the fight. Those AM values are really important, don't ever forget about them. Almace also has a decent size accuracy bonus from it's 20 DEX, that also translates into a dDEX crit bonus.

I know all of this, but just by this comparison alone right here, you are talking about being 30 or 50% better, what about Excalibur's 2.5x? So far as I know its a 10~15% rate or so, not exactly sure, you probably know that so you can fill that gap. Now if it has a 10% proc rate it would be the same amount of damage as roughly 15% ODD I would assume, add on that Attack on each hit and WS as well as Excalibur's higher damage and I would assume it wins. As I said, I put the info all into the spreadsheet and Excalibur came out on top easily, all of the numbers were put in from SE's post which gave these examples.

Excalibur

DMG: 73 Delay: 233 Attack+40 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP
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DMG: 121 Delay: 233 Attack+60 Accuracy+20 "Knights of Round" Additional effect: Damage varies with HP



Almace

DMG: 70 Delay: 224 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage
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DMG: 114 Delay: 224 Attack+20 Accuracy+20 DEX+20 "Chant du Cygne" Aftermath: Occ. deals double damage

If you could use CDC with Excalibur right now, Excalibur would still be the best weapon, and the gap would be bigger because what we lose from using Excalibur is CDC, KoR does not live up to that WS, so if they let us use CDC on Excalibur then Excalibur would gain Almace's greatest advantage. After this update, the spreadsheet says its basically going to be the same way, unless there are some new hidden stats, that seems unlikely to change. I just woke up so I hope this is getting across well.

[Kitkat]

I know all of this, but just by this comparison alone right here, you are talking about being 30 or 50% better, what about Excalibur's 2.5x? So far as I know its a 10~15% rate or so, not exactly sure, you probably know that so you can fill that gap. Now if it has a 10% proc rate it would be the same amount of damage as roughly 15% ODD I would assume.......

This is an incorrect assumption given this simple fact: Hidden effect of relic weapons only proc on first strike of every attack round with the weapon where as ODD can activate on every strike of an attack round with the weapon.

This means if you have a decent DA/TA/QA rate mixup you're not seeing the same outcome in damage with 15% 2.5x dmg compared to 15% 2x dmg aftermath. If no DA/TA/QA is factored in then your assumption is correct, but it has been proven time and time again that hidden effects on relic weapons cannot proc on any strike beyond initial hit, meaning the more DA/TA/QA the person wears the more it becomes diminished over extended periods. The only real saving grace of the x2.5 dmg is that it is always there regardless compared to Aftermath ODD which relies on WS use to be active. It is more or less their way of "balancing" relics with other weapons or something to that effect.

This is more likely the reason why Saveal is fighting your comparison so hard. The aftermath effect is a huge increase in DoT considering Capped Temper and gear effects in comparison to mainhanding Excal. While with Excal you have Hidden+additional, the additional follows the same rules I believe and only activates on first strike of the weapon, but can activate at the same time as Hidden (though hidden doesn't increase additional in this case). These are just a few of the considerations you need to take into account when making out your spread sheet (aka remove all attacks that would be due to DA/TA/QA activation then figure out your 2.5x damage activation rate and compare to ODD).