95 And Below RME Weapons

[Zagen]

This is one huge mistake here. Dispute them being created for older content as new content pushes ahead these gears and the OLD content gets shoved out the door. The game moves forward the diversity is channeled toward ONLY new content. This stagnates old content and belittles returning players. It also reduces the possibility of new players having access to old content and casuals from enjoying their playstyle. Who the Flip wants to do old missions or anymore. The entertainment value is being lost for a large population of players. You might not see it but SE should be seeing the results now. Why did Wadda really resign?

One direction for players Humpt, It's the shortsidedness that disturbs the game in such a way that only the UP TO DATE players with a LOT of FREE TIME and FOCUS that can enjoy the content. The way it is now it's focusing on one tunnel vision. There is nothing for the all groups of players to enjoy. So what if RMES get upgraded it gives players the options to choose what gear they like and extend on that system. THey broke it with SoA by making that gear a waste of time to finish.

I think most people are to argent to notice people pay for this game. If the developers want it to remain interesting DIVERSITY is the key. Their direction may not be how everyone enjoys the content. It's more or less making more players jump through hoops to play the way THEY want you to. The hardcore don't care they can adapt because of resources the. Casuals just quit and the game becomes stagnent until a new farce is added. Is this the legacy you want that leads this MMO to it's death? That's exactly where it's headed if the they continue making the game less attractive to a broad audience.

I tell you what get five friends to join this game and see how long they last. I'm not talking hand them gear PL them or help them out in any way. I bet most or all of them will quit in a few months. This is one reason the game is dieing. It's because content isn't fun anymore for everyone. The developers also refuse to adjust old content to keep up. The players who are new or don't play much are screwed.

Again, SO what if the RMES was designed for older content. The game has gear growth now so special content should always have a place to grow with the new content. Currently the game has a lot totalitarianism in it's basic design you're forced into new content even if it sucks. It's seriously not good if limitations are created that make one or more groups less attracted to this game. Smart people don't like it when they realize this and stupid people don't figure it out.

I'd buy this sort of thinking if I saw 0 shouts for VW (more diversity would be nice), Emp Armor +1/+2 farming, Emp Weapon 85/95 item farming, Old/New Nyzul, Assualts, Limbus (granted boss items/runs). The list goes on the point is old content is still alive and kicking, not as much as it was when it was new but that's a given people who have gotten stuff from X event move on to Y that happens all the time unless there's nothing new for a long time otherwise they just move on to another game.

You're trying to encourage ways to bypass a lot of the old content not encourage revitalizing it so I'm not sure how exactly you're planning on players being able to "enjoy the content".

[Sarick]

I'd buy this sort of thinking if I saw 0 shouts for VW (more diversity would be nice), Emp Armor +1/+2 farming, Emp Weapon 85/95 item farming, Old/New Nyzul, Assualts, Limbus (granted boss items/runs). The list goes on the point is old content is still alive and kicking, not as much as it was when it was new but that's a given people who have gotten stuff from X event move on to Y that happens all the time unless there's nothing new for a long time otherwise they just move on to another game.


You're trying to encourage ways to bypass a lot of the old content not encourage revitalizing it so I'm not sure how exactly you're planning on players being able to "enjoy the content".

Most of these players are looking to make a quick buck off the farmed items so they can sell them. Look at dynamis currency.

As I stated before.

"It's the shortsidedness that disturbs the game in such a way that only the UP TO DATE players with a LOT of FREE TIME and FOCUS that can enjoy the content."

It's simple make more old content paths that improve on old content. This way it competes with new content and diversifies the player base. Right now they're working only on new content and abandoning what worked in old content. If new content was added to old content that made paths compatible to new content then no one could complain. IE: adding a delve level enemy into abbsyea, sky or sea like they did with VW, dynamis sky etc. << that was how to do it.

Right now you want delve level equipment you need to play that content. There are no alternatives even if the new added paths create levels comparable scaled versions or casual development paths inside old content. It's just not there because old content isn't moving forward to create diversity. Everyone is being thrown into SoA or bust.

Look at it like this, Microsoft tried the same thing with windows 8. You see where it got them? They started losing audience. Eventually it clicked that people wanted their start menus back do their started work on windows blue 8.1. It seems they haven't learned much the hate for Xbox one anti-consumer direction is well documented.

[Zagen]

Most of these players are looking to make a quick buck off the farmed items so they can sell them. Look at dynamis currency.

Farmed items? How the hell does shouting for people to help/participate with Old/New Nyzul, Emp +1/2, VW clears (yeah you could get lucky on that 1 round but that's not why most are going), Emp weapon items profit the shouter? It doesn't. I get that shouting for certain VW fights could be for profit but it could also be for personal gain. In either case who cares? That gil seeker is 1 more person helping you do old content.

It's simple make more old content paths that improve on old content. This way it competes with new content and diversifies the player base. Right now they're working only on new content and abandoning what worked in old content. If new content was added to old content that made paths compatible to new content then no one could complain. IE: adding a delve level enemy into abbsyea, sky or sea like they did with VW, dynamis sky etc. << that was how to do it

Nice idea except it has 0 to do with updating 75-95 R/E/M. I wouldn't mind expanding on old content as long as it has a story behind it instead of just "here's 2.0 with monsters you've seen before".

Right now you want delve level equipment you need to play that content. There are no alternatives even if the new added paths create levels comparable scaled versions or casual development paths inside old content. It's just not there because old content isn't moving forward to create diversity. Everyone is being thrown into SoA or bust.

Okay so if you want delve gear you have to do delve... I want Salvage 2 gear so I'm doing Salvage 2... What exactly am I missing? Maybe I'm missing the fact you think everyone wants delve gear and only delve gear. If that were actually true the only shouts I'd see were for delve yet I see shouts for other content.

Look at it like this, Miscrosoft tried the same thing with windows 8. You see where it got them? They started losing audience. Eventually it clicked that people wanted their start menus back do their started work on windows blue 8.1. It seems they haven't learned much the hate for Xbox one anti-consumer direction is well documented.

Yeah the start button is why people didn't like windows 8... Might want to actually look into the technical issues with 8 because there are many more reasons that have a bigger impact on PC users before you even have to worry about "where's my start button".

[Sarick]

Nice idea except it has 0 to do with updating 75-95 R/E/M. I wouldn't mind expanding on old content as long as it has a story behind it instead of just "here's 2.0 with monsters you've seen before".

That's where the the problem is and it does fit in with upgrading RMEs. If content is available for it then items can be upgraded there. The limits are there because the direction is set in arrogance that makes blind players follow a narrow path. There are a few that do stray but not many have the capacity to enjoy the plate of spinach the host is trying to make them eat. To some eating spinach would be considered a punishment that's exactly why things are broken.

The shallow views of what could be and that majority don't seem think in a broad perspective. It's the same vision that clouds the developers. I've explained a few things already multiple times as have others. Most players can't grasp the concepts I laid out because either no one wants to listen to reason or it's beyond their understanding. It's like trying to explain moral decency to a mass murderer. I'm very sorry, I had to say that but that's the jest of most of these spin arguments.

People aren't the same and every gamer plays differently especially on a large MMO. If you and/or the developers can't understand these differences it will eat away until nothing is left. It's like a car manufacture that decides all cars from this point on only come in black. The customer can suffer buying the black version, repaint the black version another color after they buy it or choose another manufacturer.

Yeah the start button is why people didn't like windows 8... Might want to actually look into the technical issues with 8 because there are many more reasons that have a bigger impact on PC users before you even have to worry about "where's my start button".

Still, this was one of the factors that hurt productivity in businesses. Software wise most of these issues where caused by incompatibilities with the new interface and API changes. The point I was trying to make isn't the exact reason for the issues it's the fact that the company didn't see what was wrong until it started hurting them enough. That's the whole point. If you look at the news on Xbox One they still haven't learned their lesson. The reviews and gamer hate is turning customers away from them. This is why it's important to think ahead and consider WHAT IF.

Read this quote it's explains some of what I've been saying.

Then they released Abyssea and the entire game changed in a short amount of time, everyone got used to this new way of playing. You could shout for people and do content that was genuinly fun instead of punbishing and you didn't get left out if you weren't in the specific linkshells. You didn't have to get DKP and you didn't have to keep doing the content for years after getting your gear to get the rest of your group theirs, guilt trips were a thing of the past.

They saw people liked it but they saw that people ate through that content a lot faster, so they decided to go back to the old ways and ignore what people found enjoyable.

The player numbers are around half what they were from Abyssea times and this is just after a new expansion. Biggest problem with SE is simply that they don't ever learn from their mistakes and they will stubbornly stick with what isn't working, even if it kills the game. I guess they don't really mind that anyway anymore because they want us all to move to the horror of WoWish XIV anyway.

For the sake of argument WHAT IF the developers went back to what attracted the most players and there was a surge of popularity? I'm not talking about this farce of a new expansion. Would it really be so bad if people are F'n happy doing what they enjoy instead of what another envisions? Maybe some have already come to the conclusion that this game is dead and nothing will save its future. Two words "TUNNEL VISION" it's a cancer that can destroy anything.

I'm sick of hearing from apologist despite the glaring flaws. Some of these players lack the understanding to see the facts or could simply be shills who've over invested their lives into this MMO.

[FrankReynolds]

Still, this was one of the factors that hurt productivity in businesses.

I gotta call BS on this. Anyone who uses a computer for work spends 99.99% of their time in desktop apps and files that can be pinned to the task bar. Anyone who spends more than about 10 seconds a day looking at the start menu or start screen is doing their job wrong and either needs to be retrained or replaced.

Home users who don't know what they're doing have a (somewhat) legitimate gripe about it. But again, the old start menu did nothing but launch apps etc., so the only legitimate reason to be in that menu for more than a couple seconds out of the day is if you are actually using the live tiles (which did not exist in the old menu).

As far as the actual "Start Button" - People complained incessantly about it back when they originally added it. Tech pundits had a field day with the irony of having to hit the "Start Button" in order to turn off the computer. These are people who are terrified of change and will complain any time you change anything. I mean seriously. Not only is it still in the same spot that it has been for the last 15 years, but there is now a dedicated button on almost every keyboard for it. Even a monkey could find it by simply mashing away at the keyboard.

There are plenty of legitimate issues with windows 8 (and every other OS ever invented for that matter) but these do not fall in that category. Sometimes people just complain to complain and I'm glad MS only met them half way by adding the button back, but still linking it to the "Metro" start screen. People will have a much better experience if they learn to use jump lists and pin things.

[Sarick]

I gotta call BS on this. Anyone who uses a computer for work spends 99.99% of their time in desktop apps and files that can be pinned to the task bar. Anyone who spends more than about 10 seconds a day looking at the start menu or start screen is doing their job wrong and either needs to be retrained or replaced.

Again someone who missed the point. There where many factors. I only listed one or two in my examples. I didn't go into detail about everything nor did I wish to. It's clearly for another topic that would go beyond this discussion so I left things out.

The whole point was to show that mistakes can and do hurt anyone. They can even affect huge developers who could use $100 bills to wipe their rears. BS or not the point is there and the company in question even responded publicly by adapting.

You want proof of this? Merely look at what happened to FFXIV. There was so much hate for the time based limitation that they removed that system on top of that the game was such a train wreck for reviews they puled it to create reborn. Just look at the markets they lost a log of cash recently so much that their Ceo resigned.

The developers could do better if they sucked up some pride and went back to what players liked the most. They started making things really hardcore because some people ate through content to fast.

The EMPS weren't really that bad until about 90. Where others like mythic and relic had the hardest stages early in development EMPS where feasible before they hit final stages. I assume this is because they where updated as player caps where raised where old content was originally designed to grow purely for level 75. These needed less useful stages because they where never initially designed to grow past 75.

[FrankReynolds]

Again someone who missed the point...

I don't disagree with your points about the game, but start menu was a bad example. It actually supports the idea that companies shouldn't listen to their customers because they will come around eventually anyways (remember that customers hated the start menu when it was initially added and now they can't seem to live without it).

I agree that companies should listen to customers when they have valid complaints. Especially when the product is a game and not a tool like windows.

IMO: The weapons should scale the same way they did before the update, with each stage being just slightly better than the last. Not stage 75-95 worthless and stage 99 god like.

[Aldaris]

Simple statement regarding RME...The work put in needs to match the quality of the item and right now it does not...Even AFTER the said RME update...a lvl 95 relic will STILL be MUCH HARDER to obtain than a delve weapon but yet will STILL be even more gimpy.