95 And Below RME Weapons

[Bstmode]

Best one to "sink in" with is called Leader, best part about that job is it takes a bit of research as well as the ability to make sure people follow through with instructions and that's all it takes to make it pimp.

I'll save you the trip to Merriam-Webster...

Slink - 1: to go or move stealthily or furtively (as in fear or shame)

Basically you sneak into a group on a 'safe' job knowing that if you wanted to go on a job you enjoy, you'd probably be denied because you aren't as equipped as they feel you should be. Sure you can make your own group, but the chances of people sticking around after finding out that you aren't already Delve equipped are about the same as you getting into a premade under the same circumstances.

Not saying that it's impossible, but it's much less likely and enough of an annoyance to turn people off.

[Zagen]

I'll save you the trip to Merriam-Webster...

Slink - 1: to go or move stealthily or furtively (as in fear or shame)

Basically you sneak into a group on a 'safe' job knowing that if you wanted to go on a job you enjoy, you'd probably be denied because you aren't as equipped as they feel you should be. Sure you can make your own group, but the chances of people sticking around after finding out that you aren't already Delve equipped are about the same as you getting into a premade under the same circumstances.

Not saying that it's impossible, but it's much less likely and enough of an annoyance to turn people off.

Sorry when I used "sink in" it was meant to be a play on your use of "slink in", essentially hoping it will sink in people's head that if they actually took up the leader role they'd get away with so much when talking about gear/job expectations instead of trying to sneak in.

[Bstmode]

Sorry when I used "sink in" it was meant to be a play on your use of "slink in", essentially hoping it will sink in people's head that if they actually took up the leader role they'd get away with so much when talking about gear/job expectations instead of trying to sneak in.

Way to slink past the point. When people have difficulty even being invited to participate in an event unless already geared by that event, something is wrong. It's like being asked to show ID when you're going to obtain a driver's license.

Let the irony "sink in"...

We're talking about weapons that are obtained through magian trials which are based completely on progression. You start at point A and progress through other points until you reach your destination. No skipping over or slinking through content. You start and progress until you're done.

In Delve on the other hand, you're expected to already be at your destination before you are eligible to make the trip. Now I understand that this barrier is created by the community, but SE could easily address the issue. Creating your own group doesn't remove the expectation from players that you should be overgeared for the content.

[Zagen]

Creating your own group doesn't remove the expectation from players that you should be overgeared for the content.

Do you honestly think someone who's elitist about gear that still needs KIs/plasm and hasn't been brought into a group at this point can still be a chooser over a beggar?

[Bstmode]

Do you honestly think someone who's elitist about gear that still needs KIs/plasm and hasn't been brought into a group at this point can still be a chooser over a beggar?

No, I believe all the elitists were granted what they needed before they even set foot in Delve... /facepalm

[Babekeke]

Do you honestly think someone who's elitist about gear that still needs KIs/plasm and hasn't been brought into a group at this point can still be a chooser over a beggar?

I think this is beyond the point. If I went into a Delve NM ally and realised the leader was on SAM and using level 90 Empy for example, I'd probably only give him 5 mins to finish the alliance, and I'd certainly be keeping an eye out for another ally forming.

This is not because I'm 'elitist', far from it, but the NMs are difficult, pure and simple. It's a waste of everyone's time to go with a group that can't beat the NM.

@Duelle: Many things in SoA can be done without even having 99 r/m/e. Reives for certain, and plasm farming. Wildskeeper Reives and Skirmish, I'm not too sure about as I haven't bothered with them myself yet. Delve NMs however are tiered above r/m/e 99.

Edit: also, I think Duelle might have it right when he said 'ease up on the trials'. When they first announced 1500 HMP, many of us thought that it would eventually be reduced. Now seems like the ideal time, especially since they will not be increasing the power of non-99 r/m/e, no matter what anyone would like.

[Zagen]

I think this is beyond the point. If I went into a Delve NM ally and realised the leader was on SAM and using level 90 Empy for example, I'd probably only give him 5 mins to finish the alliance, and I'd certainly be keeping an eye out for another ally forming.

This is not because I'm 'elitist', far from it, but the NMs are difficult, pure and simple. It's a waste of everyone's time to go with a group that can't beat the NM.

If you think going with a Leader who has Masa 90 SAM and can't fill an alliance in 5 minutes to an event that doesn't require epic gear to beat I don't know how you think that's not elitist. Considering at this point the gimmicks are known and none of those gimmicks require X gear beyond what I'd consider decent/good gear (AF/Relic/Emp armor, TP set, WS set, anything else is a bonus)

Grasshopper - Don't WS and your chances of losing are almost 0 with decent alliance of DDs and healers
Moth - Spam Debuffs until 20~ Exuviation are used at that point stop using debuffs and kill it,
Fish - DDs come /NIN or /SAM with 3rd Eye and zerg it down. Silencing it is a bonus to help keep shadows from getting wiped by AoE spells.
Oboron - Bring a couple of WAR to use Mighty Strikes (not needed but makes it much faster) to it's face and stun Mayhem Lantern and it goes down quick.
Matmata - Bring a nuker and a tank (RDM/WAR can do both) and nuke it at least once for more than 0 damage between TP moves. After the 7th have the DD go crazy. If it lives repeat (might require letting the DDs die and reraise but 5 minute weakness will be gone before the next window opens).
Peiste - Keep it blind and it's evasion goes down as well as preventing Grim Glower and Oppressive Glare. Just a matter of dealing damage at that point.

That's strategies to get all 6 of the outside KIs. Note none of these strategies require Delve weapons or R/E/M 99s let alone updated R/E/M 75-95s.

[Duelle]

also, I think Duelle might have it right when he said 'ease up on the trials'. When they first announced 1500 HMP, many of us thought that it would eventually be reduced. Now seems like the ideal time, especially since they will not be increasing the power of non-99 r/m/e, no matter what anyone would like.

I look at it more from intended time investment and expected completion. Progression in older/obsolete content does not remain the same once you start using content "tiers". Normally things play out automatically because the older content is lower level, so the player's relatively greater power makes that content quicker to clear (ex: a lv75 dungeon being cleared with little effort and risk by lv80 players).

XI rushed to 99 and had a bunch of content tossed in. As such the players do not naturally get stronger than the older content. Add to this the time spent expectancy and you have a possible issue.

For argument's sake, if an empyrean was intended to take you 4 months to complete and you had content that made that empyrean useless stat-wise, you'd normally be able to outpower the content to clear it more efficiently than when it was "current", some adjustment would be made to acquire it faster or more leisurely, or relegate it to a status item where the stats and procs are irrelevant stat-wise but the weapon looks damn cool.

Instead of going that route, SE seems to expect you to hold off on Adoulin content for the 4 months it would take you to make that empyrean (not counting gearing through abyssea and voidwatch) without what I would consider reasonable means for catching up. And that is honestly my biggest beef with the direction the devs are taking.