95 And Below RME Weapons

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In my opinion, the argument can be summed up with two statements and their outcomes.

Level 99 R/E/M holders: "I spent a significant amount of time creating a weapon. When I created it, I knew it would lie somewhere on a contiuum of weapon power - in my case, at the top. Delve weapons have made my weapon useless. I have therefore wasted my time. I would like this to be fixed."

Result: lv. 99 R/E/M proposed upgrades, which will require me to complete an as-of-yet unspecified task to restore my weapon to usefulness.

Lower level R/E/M holders: "I spent a significant amount of time creating a weapon. When I created it, I knew it would lie somewhere on a contiuum of weapon power - in my case, close to (but not at) the top. Delve weapons have made my weapon useless. I have therefore wasted my time. I would like this to be fixed."

Result: I must make a very significant expenditure of time and money before completing the same as-of-yet unspecified task to create a more powerful weapon. There is no option to restore my weapon to its old level of usefulness, which was my original requirement.

The compaints made by level 99 R/E/M holders can just as legitimately be made by those that hold lower tier weapons. No-one wants to lose the work they put into their weapons, which in all cases is significant - just to varying degrees. I think denying <lv99 weapon users the ability to restore their weapons to their original level of usefulness is simply unjustifiable. They made their <lv99 weapon knowing what they would get - something good, but not exceptional. SE has taken that away from them, and they have a right to want their weapon restored.

Weapon users with <lv99 weapons wouldn't get anything "free" from this adjustment - at least not anything more than lv99 weapon users will. They will still end up with an inferior weapon. However, they will end up with a weapon that is "as inferior" as they originally intended - which is the only reasonable outcome.

As for problems like "but level 80 players will have super-powerful weapons that outclass all others at level 80", just bash a latent effect for DMG on the weapon to activate at a more appropriate level. It's not difficult to find solutions to these issues.

Your logic is horribly flawed. First off, 99REM holders will have to do some trial(s) to upgrade their 99s damage, they aren't just being handed a crapton of damage. 95 and below is an INCOMPLETE WEAPON. Finish your goddamned weapon then complain about it being bad. You don't build a bike without a chain then complain that bikes suck because yours doesn't go as fast as someone that put a f*cking chain on theirs.

Why shouldn't you have to do what I, and thousands of others, have done several times to be competitive with me/us?


Also saying it's stupid for SE to update REMs is the words of a true fool. REMs were offered as the cream of the crop and talk a lot longer to obtain than any typical weapon. In a game like FFXI there's supposed to by an effort to reward ratio. New adoulin weapons for the most part are easy as hell to obtain. The delve bosses are already being curb stomped by the complex formula of THROW MORE RANGERS AT IT GUYS.

Those weapons' effort values don't even warrant them being nearly as good as REM weapons. Each 75 relic made requires more man hours to make than any single delve boss drop, and 99ing a Relic takes more than twice that effort on my server. A 99 relic takes over 100% more effort to obtain than a delve weapon, and you think it's lazy to ask for an update to them? GTFO.

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Asking for 75-95 weapons to be boosted is double-lazy. Too lazy to complete the original trials, too lazy to get new weapons from SoA.

Spoken like a true close-minded idiot. Most people who made a level 90 empy or 95 relic but didn't take it further, have not done so because they simply don't have the time to invest into such a thing.

I'll get flamed for bringing this up, but the fact is it's true, plain and simple: People who have full-time jobs and families or friends that they like to spend time on can have significantly less time to put into upgrading their weapons. Sure, you'll come back with "if you don't have the time, then don't play an MMORPG" whilst completely failing to realise that many people are very happy with playing just a couple of days a week, or only a couple of hours a day.

Good for all those that don't work, don't socialise, or maybe just don't sleep. You can invest enough time to do salvage, dynamis and limbus every day, and spend the rest of your time farming plasm to make gil and complete a 99 empy or relic in a couple of weeks. Other people are content to be second best whilst still participate in events with friends that don't care if it takes a little longer to do than the most elite groups

Your logic is horribly flawed. First off, 99REM holders will have to do some trial(s) to upgrade their 99s damage, they aren't just being handed a crapton of damage. 95 and below is an INCOMPLETE WEAPON. Finish your goddamned weapon then complain about it being bad. You don't build a bike without a chain then complain that bikes suck because yours doesn't go as fast as someone that put a f*cking chain on theirs.

See above.

Why shouldn't you have to do what I, and thousands of others, have done several times to be competitive with me/us?

You obviously didn't read what he said:

When I created it, I knew it would lie somewhere on a continuum of weapon power - in my case, close to (but not at) the top.

He's not asking to be competitive with you/them (unless you/them gear/play much worse than him), he's just asking to be closer, relative to the amount of work that he and others have put in.

It may be that the people with level 90 empys/95 relics are working towards making the 99 versions, but with the amount of time that they can put into doing so, it will take many months to reach 99. This means for them that their weapon that was 'acceptable' for most end-game content has all-of-a-sudden become (in some cases) out-classed by AH weapons, and completely outclassed by all of the new r/e weapons.

I can see it from both sides of the coin, but I think that enabling non-99 weapons to be upgraded would be shooting themselves in the foot, as if people can get a better weapon without doing the plates/rift/marrows, then they will - so noone will bother farming the items and the price will shoot right up, making people even less likely to want to upgrade.

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Your logic is horribly flawed. First off, 99REM holders will have to do some trial(s) to upgrade their 99s damage, they aren't just being handed a crapton of damage.

I honestly think that's exactly what's going to happen... R/M/E holders have already finished the trials; the producer has already said they do not intend to increase the weapons like the method previously used (TotM), he repeatedly used the word "revamp"--a revamp is not your typical upgrade... revamp literally means to "re-do" or "do-over"...so yea, I truly believe the Devs intend to hand the R/M/E's a crapton of damage.

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I honestly think that's exactly what's going to happen... R/M/E holders have already finished the trials; the producer has already said they do not intend to increase the weapons like the method previously used (TotM), he repeatedly used the word "revamp"--a revamp is not your typical upgrade... revamp literally means to "re-do" or "do-over"...so yea, I truly believe the Devs intend to hand the R/M/E's a crapton of damage.

They clearly said they won't bring a progressive upgrade for e/r/m, and gave ToM as reference.
I think we have to understand it will be the last upgrade they'll bring for e/r/m, and only because of e/r/m owners' anger.
It's sort of an excuse to players for that huge delve release mistake.

What i understood is that they do not intend to make e/r/m the top weapons forever.
This improvised boost is for them a way to get rid of players anger (and ragequitting); they want us to accept there will be better weapons and they want us to work on them.

This was their intention with delve release, but it was too sudden, too soon, and they didn't expect players reaction.
I think they'll still be going that way.