Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
So, let me spell this out...current system for lvl 85/90/95/99 Almace has DMG: 57/61/66/70.

SE says "ok we'll boost r/m/e"...but only @ 99. Post adjustment DMG: 57/61/66/121. Do you have any idea the price hike that will cause with riftcinders?

...and then you counter with "well a sword dropped by a mob with no time limit or participant limit that can be beaten by pickup groups full of scrubs is lower damage than the same model sword dropped by a mob in a zone with 18-person/45- minute limits where you also have to kill 2 other nms so that's the same thing"

Not the same comparison at all. How you can possibly fail to see that is just amazing.
You are talking about 2 levels of the same sword as I am comparing it to the same type of thing. So you think that Cinders will spike in price, ok, and? That's not fair? Its going to be one of the most powerful weapons in the game, they take some time and effort, making the 90 version more powerful will not change that, it will just make RMEs at level 90 even more important over any other weapon at level 90. Think about what you are asking for a second, you want a 90 Almace with what? 95 DMG? So what happens to every other sword in the game at and above that level with lower damage? Trashed. We have had to deal with RME only shouts for a long time with their differences in damage being enough to be noticed but not enough to completely ignore those without them, with the change you are asking for a level 90 Emp would tower over every other weapon in the game that is not a Delve weapon or RME, making that exclusion of players even more justified and making it all the more important for people to be forced into making these weapons. I know a lot of friends that have been excluded from content when they only had an OAT GA or PA, or only a STR path weapon, these people would be even worse off once a level 90 Emp has more than 50% DMG on top of the WS and its mod stats.

You are only looking at yourself, the prices of things, not taking into account how this would effect non-RME players one bit. Now before its said I would have no idea about any of this, or I say it because I never made one, I have Almace and Excalibur with a fake Ukon and tons of experience with jobs as well as an OAT GS, I know the reaction people give when you say you have no RME even in the case of the OAT GS which is better than a Caladbolg. What you are asking for will only make it all the more important to have those weapons, and will make it once again to the point they are the only weapons worth having, except now there are the Delve weapons to go along with them, so it is down to this, do Delve, make a RME, or do not do any of the content designed for 90+ players besides Abyssea, or make your own groups so you can not be forcibly excluded due to your weapon.

How people can fail to see how these types of changes will and have already effected non-RME or casual players is astounding, and insulting. Making them stronger by back tracking them through the earlier versions will only make the problem even worse. Right now you can not expect everyone to have a 99 RME, its unrealistic, but 90? 85? People have expected that of people for more than a year now, and by making those weapons stand out above every AH option, every other trial, the Coin weapons, and any other non-RME, non-Adoulin weapon, you are only making the problem worse for people.

I know what Matsui said, and I know what he plans to do, and I still contend they should simply nerf the new weapons to be in line, if you want to boost RMEs a bit more, do it, but unless they do something about every other weapon in the game the balance of the game was just massively upset and for now it looks like it is going to remain that way. If you do not like that RMEs under 99 are going to become much weaker, think of those people who made Fire trial weapons, OAT weapons, TP bonus weapons, spent thousands of kills in VW for Pulse weapons, all of those R/EX weapons like yours that are all now in the same exact position, you are not alone, and in fact, by trying to get your weapon boosted you are making all of their weapons even worse, because the average damage on a weapon expected of someone will rise significantly.