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    Player Zagen's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bstmode View Post
    To put it in perspective for you... Based on the 11th vana'diel census:

    There were a total of just over 65k empyrean weapons across all servers that were level 85 or higher(excluding instrument and shield). Out of those 65,000+ empyreans, a mere 550 of them were unlocked to level 99. Less than 1 out of every 100 people who unlocked an empyrean weaponskill bothered to take their weapon to what you called 'completion' at level 99.

    You basically said that more than 99% of the population of FFXI is lazy because they couldn't be bothered to 'complete' their weapons. Now you're saying that perhaps that is unrealistic?

    Perhaps you are the winner of the "Understatement of the Century" award...
    My Almace and Armageddon are at 85, my Apocalypse is at 95 because I'm lazy. I have the means to obtain the items required to make them 99. Might take a while for the Emps but I can do it. Heck the 5 Umbral Marrows to 99 my Apocalypse cost 50-75 million, or in context of an event I'm currently spamming on a semi regular basis that's 167~250 Airlixir +1s being sold or 417,500-625,000 or 83-125 fracture runs averaging 5k. That doesn't even account for farming Volatile Matamata which usually ends up giving me 3 +1s and 1,500 more plasm. By not rigorously focusing on selling Airlixir +1s to fund my Apocalypse 95 to 99 I'm being lazy, at least I'm willing to admit it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babekeke View Post
    This still annoys me how short-sighted people can be, with their references to anyone who has not finished their r/m/e to 99 must be lazy.

    For some people, RL>FFXI.

    Not to mention, some people actually made 10 empys, but only took a couple of them to 99. Are they lazy??? Really!?!?

    Then your weapon that took a weekend to make is being replace by a weapon takes a weekend to make. I don't really see the problem with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yinnyth View Post
    vertical progression
    You can have vertical progression without changing weapons (not that i'm advocating that. Should just continue magian trials with bayld items/ghastly stones/airlixirs)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Greatguardian View Post
    I want to say that there's a middle ground here but this isn't really middle ground. A lot of old systems were shit. Some new systems aren't much better. What's in the middle of shit and shit? More Shit. So no, I don't want a middle ground. I want something good.
    Quote Originally Posted by Landsoul View Post
    >Twilight Scythe is overpowered that's why we're nerfing it
    >Weapons with double damage compared to relic

    LOGIC.
    Quote Originally Posted by SpankWustler View Post
    \m/ (*.*) \m/ "THIS SOLUTION IS THE MOST METAL!" \m/ (*.*) \m/

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    You can not upgrade 85 90 95 weapons because of the time it would take to rewrite all the stats for all weapons and all trials. And why would they rebalance weapons when a quest has not even been done? I rather the developers spend the time on new events or things.

    Abyessa has been out for three years. If you not even made your empy to 90 in three years your sad. For most weapons it takes one weekend to two weeks. As for 95 and 99 trial. Do plazma farming, craft, or whatever.

    I do have four REM's.

    99 APOC, 99 empy staff, 95 rag and 85 almace. I am holding off on almace because if WoE gets unlock, I rather do the weapon skill with different sword as its main purpose is blu skill chains. Rag, I could make it, to 99 but want to wait and see as it may have no purpose to use at 99 even upgraded.

    99 apoc lets me do many things. 99 empy staff if unlock weapon skill lets me nuke all day long. Even if not unlocked I can nuke on the staff and never run out of MP. So both these weapons make me happy.

    Instead of them upgrading REM weapons 85-95. Please spend the time for MoT weapons. I would love those weapons to get a boost.
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    I recently unsubbed from FFXI myself because of the issues with R/M/E weapons, now of course I'm not posting for moral support or anything like that.. that would be stupid. I just thought I'd give my two gil: The problem with the sub 99 versions of the empy weapons not receiving a buff isn't really an issue for me, I was working on 99 anyway... what was an issue was the total destruction of the VWNM scene overnight once seekers came out, since nothing from VW is really relevant anymore, why would people spam it and provide the market with much needed HMP and riftdross? It's currently all but impossible to complete an empy weapons magian trials, at least on the server I played since there are no new items coming into the market and since VW isn't small group friendly, there's no real way around these issues currently.

    For me, this rendered the game unplayable by cutting me off from any possibility of completing my long term goals. If anything I'd say making sure non-seekers content stays populated needs some attention, at least in cases were it's impossible to solo or small group those events (as obviously, things like dynamis can be done without needing outside help from other players).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raksha View Post
    Then your weapon that took a weekend to make is being replace by a weapon takes a weekend to make. I don't really see the problem with this.
    Weekends must be longer where you are than where I am. 21 NMs all with a minimum respawn of 1 hour is 21 hours if you got really lucky and every NM repopped right on the 1 hour mark, and after visiting jeuno, the next NM was already up. In reality, there's always 1 NM that decides to be a b*tch and wait out 8 hours to respawn, and the rest will be an average of ~2 hours.

    And some of us like to catch up on sleep over the weekends too, and you can only get lucky enough to get others to do 1 trial for you whilst you sleep.

    And then there's the VNMs, minimum of 2 hours per NM, assuming that you either have friends willing to drop everything and go help you, or you're dual-boxing and the job you are on is able to DB the VNMs you need. Some are easily soloable on the right jobs, but others can be nasty. If your friends aren't available to help, or you can DB it, then you have to shout for assistance... that could be your whole weekend taken up right there.

    And at last you're onto the 175 abyssea NMs, all that require KIs to pop, and if your weapon starts out in tahrongi (Chloris or Glavoid) then you could spend a full day in that 1 zone.

    As for "replacing it with another weapon that took you a weekend to make", this is only true under 1 of 2 conditions:

    1) You beat the required delve NMs before the depop nerf.

    2) You have a decent WHM BRD COR or SCH levelled.

    Otherwise, noone's inviting you to join their delve fights, and it doesn't matter how quickly you can get the plasm if you don't have the KI.
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    I agree with the above. If you were lucky enough to get in on it early then you could do Delve with your now gimp 'weekend weapon'. If not then you've gotta slink in on a job is required more for their utility than what they're wearing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bstmode View Post
    I agree with the above. If you were lucky enough to get in on it early then you could do Delve with your now gimp 'weekend weapon'. If not then you've gotta slink in on a job is required more for their utility than what they're wearing.
    Best one to "sink in" with is called Leader, best part about that job is it takes a bit of research as well as the ability to make sure people follow through with instructions and that's all it takes to make it pimp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zagen View Post
    Best one to "sink in" with is called Leader, best part about that job is it takes a bit of research as well as the ability to make sure people follow through with instructions and that's all it takes to make it pimp.
    I'll save you the trip to Merriam-Webster...

    Slink - 1: to go or move stealthily or furtively (as in fear or shame)

    Basically you sneak into a group on a 'safe' job knowing that if you wanted to go on a job you enjoy, you'd probably be denied because you aren't as equipped as they feel you should be. Sure you can make your own group, but the chances of people sticking around after finding out that you aren't already Delve equipped are about the same as you getting into a premade under the same circumstances.

    Not saying that it's impossible, but it's much less likely and enough of an annoyance to turn people off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bstmode View Post
    I'll save you the trip to Merriam-Webster...

    Slink - 1: to go or move stealthily or furtively (as in fear or shame)

    Basically you sneak into a group on a 'safe' job knowing that if you wanted to go on a job you enjoy, you'd probably be denied because you aren't as equipped as they feel you should be. Sure you can make your own group, but the chances of people sticking around after finding out that you aren't already Delve equipped are about the same as you getting into a premade under the same circumstances.

    Not saying that it's impossible, but it's much less likely and enough of an annoyance to turn people off.
    Sorry when I used "sink in" it was meant to be a play on your use of "slink in", essentially hoping it will sink in people's head that if they actually took up the leader role they'd get away with so much when talking about gear/job expectations instead of trying to sneak in.
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    Last edited by Zagen; 05-27-2013 at 05:14 AM.

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    The logical thing to do is determine whether a 99 RME is the starting point for new content (as in, starter content for Adoulin assumes your DPS have a 99RME). If the answer is yes, then you need to make it less ardorous to get there, either by easing a bit on the trials or introduce something with which to leapfrog the need for RME altogether (currently there is none).
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    * The sad thing is that FFXIV turned RDM into a turret, and people think that's what it's supposed to be. It's supposed to combine sword and magic into something more, not spend the bulk of gameplay spamming spells and jump into melee for only 3 GCDs before scurrying back to the back line.

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