95 And Below RME Weapons

[Kristal]

They are for WoE, VW will not be impacted for that reason.

I got the impression that both Emp and WoE weapons can be used to unlock. WoE weapons are easier to obtain, but people that are working on their Emp might not want to redo all those trials again just to unlock a WS they already have access to. (Assuming the emp weapons are upgraded in the forseeable future.)

[Demon6324236]

So you are telling me you think people would rather go through the trouble of doing 1500 Metals and 60 Dross/Cinder just to unlock a WS, instead of just making a WoE weapon? I think not, and besides that, if you read the Dev posts they seem to say only WoE weapons are going to be used for unlocks. The original idea was that RMECs would all unlock WSs, but that was before there were plans to update the actual weapons themselves, and before the fact you can already unlock Mythic WSs was brought to their attention.

I think for this reason their idea changed, so we can unlock Emp WSs with WoE, not Relic by any means, and can already unlock Mythic. Also we will not unlock Aftermaths, which was the plan before as well, so far as I know. And finally, in either case this will not effect VW, the only thing that will is the RME upgrades themselves and how worthwhile they are in the end. If they are great, VW will pick up accordingly thanks to those making 99Emps, if the Emps are outdated with their WS unlockable and used with Relics & Mythics as I believe they will be, then Emps will simply die out and VW will not pick back up.

[Sephiran]

So you are telling me you think people would rather go through the trouble of doing 1500 Metals and 60 Dross/Cinder just to unlock a WS, instead of just making a WoE weapon? I think not, and besides that, if you read the Dev posts they seem to say only WoE weapons are going to be used for unlocks. The original idea was that RMECs would all unlock WSs, but that was before there were plans to update the actual weapons themselves, and before the fact you can already unlock Mythic WSs was brought to their attention.

I think for this reason their idea changed, so we can unlock Emp WSs with WoE, not Relic by any means, and can already unlock Mythic. Also we will not unlock Aftermaths, which was the plan before as well, so far as I know. And finally, in either case this will not effect VW, the only thing that will is the RME upgrades themselves and how worthwhile they are in the end. If they are great, VW will pick up accordingly thanks to those making 99Emps, if the Emps are outdated with their WS unlockable and used with Relics & Mythics as I believe they will be, then Emps will simply die out and VW will not pick back up.

But then that will have made the specialness of getting an empyrean weapon amount to nothing, regardless of what level it is. You want to know what my solution is? Either linearly boost RME at all levels (75~99) or make the trials less time consuming. And for the people that already had 95 and 99 empyrean weapons, give them a rebate proportionately equal to how many they built as a way of acknowledging their hard work. If SE is feeling lazy, you earlier suggested nerfing the Delve weapons. I do agree with that as a solution also since it created such a mythic power gap (no pun intended).

Getting some of these weapons to 90 is bad enough. And for all intents and purposes, empyreans are actually complete at 90. Remember the Golden Gobbiebag Giveaway? All the weapons for 1st prize were scaled to 90. So maybe SE even acknowledges these as completed weapons. Anything above that is, in my opinion, super complete.

You said yourself that you didn't have a 99, remember? Well, don't you think you worked hard enough on your 95 Excal? No one deserves to have their work totally thrown away in one update.

[Demon6324236]

You said yourself that you didn't have a 99, remember? Well, don't you think you worked hard enough on your 95 Excal? No one deserves to have their work totally thrown away in one update.

I know, I still have not got it to 99, do I think it makes sense for my Excalibur to be 99 while someone else's is basically level 125? Yes, I do, I do not think my 95 Excalibur deserves the power of a level 115 because I got it to level 95, not 99 or above. I can accept that myself. As many people have said on this subject already, they are not making the RMEs go to level 99 and get some awesome stats, rather, they are going to say level 99, and be meant for level 120ish or above, like the rest of the item level system.

[Sephiran]

The rebate idea is still the best I got. That way nobody gets left in the dust. Furthermore, this is good for people who have no RMED's at the moment, because the new Skirmish weapons will be great for them and can then help them obtain an RMED of their choice.

Also, why can't the trials that boost item stats just be available for everyone to undertake on an RME of any level? That makes sense, right? That way no one's 99 effort goes to waste and no lesser incarnations of the weapons are made useless. If the trials are all the same, that means that end product will still scale in power along with its level.

[Demon6324236]

Correct me if I am wrong, the way that sounds is that a 90 RME wielder would do the same trial as a 99 RME wielder and obtain the same reward?

[Sephiran]

No, the 90 and the 99 do the same trial; however, 99 gets a greater reward to put it on par with Delve weapons. 90 Will be on par with most Skirmish weapons after doing the same trial. That's fair, right?

[Demon6324236]

That seems fair so long as someone would have the chance to do the same trial as their earlier stages in order to get their upgrades to be on par. For instance if it was, kill a Delve Boss 5 times, and I did, my 95 Excalibur would be upgraded. Now if I collect 5 Marrows I can turn it in and my Excalibur will be as strong as a level 99 Excalibur became once upgraded. I can see that as being perfectly fine, and not a bad idea in the least. No one who did get their weapon to 99 is losing out and no one who didn't is left without the option to do so after the fact.

[Aldaris]

Simple statement regarding RME...The work put in needs to match the quality of the item and right now it does not...Even AFTER the said RME update...a lvl 95 relic will STILL be MUCH HARDER to obtain than a delve weapon but yet will STILL be even more gimpy.

[Twille]

The game has moved on, your old gear can't stay good forever, if it does, there is no reason to play new content. Let the game move forward.