This game has been ruined...

[Oakrest]

If the game's been ruined, then the players (past and current) ruined it by demanding only the absolute best in everything.

You've seen the talking points an absurd amount of times:

*"Level a real job. <insert job here> isn't efficient in parties"
*"<insert job here> is worthless without <insert nigh impossible to get weapon/armor here>"

You do realize that's not the players fault, but a product of bad game design?

[fillerbunny9]

Here's a little history lesson for the people who are going to say FoV/GoV/Abyssea/whatever-content-I-don't-like ruined the game. Back in the WoTG days well before Abyssea was announced, I was trying to level BRD. And many a days there were only 4 people total looking for group on my server during prime time, most of which were 70+ and only wanted a meritpo.

Those days weren't exactly fun times and I sure as heck am glad things are more opened up now. Things had to be changed, it was the only way this game was going to survive. There simply isn't the population to support mandatory 6 person groups for xp.

funny, I levelled RDM in the days of WotG and I would log in to tells for a party. after I was done XPing for the day and I needed to sell off trash before bed, I would have to go /anon because I would get tells without even having my flag up. seems to me that an in demand job like Bard should have had no issues getting XP. perhaps the problem wasn't your server.

[Rustic]

funny, I levelled RDM in the days of WotG and I would log in to tells for a party. after I was done XPing for the day and I needed to sell off trash before bed, I would have to go /anon because I would get tells without even having my flag up. seems to me that an in demand job like Bard should have had no issues getting XP. perhaps the problem wasn't your server.

He's got a point there. In the day, BRD and RDM were "princess" jobs- you had to screw up pretty good to NOT be wanted in PT's on a regular basis.

[Hayward]

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funny, I levelled RDM in the days of WotG and I would log in to tells for a party. after I was done XPing for the day and I needed to sell off trash before bed, I would have to go /anon because I would get tells without even having my flag up. seems to me that an in demand job like Bard should have had no issues getting XP. perhaps the problem wasn't your server.

*yawn* You'd have impressed me if you mentioned BLM, SMN, BST, or PUP. As it stands, *yawn*.

[Hayward]

You do realize that's not the players fault, but a product of bad game design?

Dodge responsibility all you like but S-E isn't pointing a gun at these endgamers' heads, telling them to exclude 66~75% of the available jobs in the game. No, these folks needed 20-30K EXP/hr yesterday or the party was a failure (BTW, these are the same people complaining about the speed of EXP in Abyssea. Figure that).

The forum that shall not be named has had its share of responsibility for the state of FFXI before and after Abyssea.

[RalphTheGalka]

funny, I levelled RDM in the days of WotG and I would log in to tells for a party. after I was done XPing for the day and I needed to sell off trash before bed, I would have to go /anon because I would get tells without even having my flag up. seems to me that an in demand job like Bard should have had no issues getting XP. perhaps the problem wasn't your server.

Can't get invited into parties that don't exist. My point is that the xp scene on Carbuncle was pretty dead and there often weren't enough people to form one.

[Karbuncle]

Dodge responsibility all you like but S-E isn't pointing a gun at these endgamers' heads, telling them to exclude 66~75% of the available jobs in the game. No, these folks needed 20-30K EXP/hr yesterday or the party was a failure (BTW, these are the same people complaining about the speed of EXP in Abyssea. Figure that).

The forum that shall not be named has had its share of responsibility for the state of FFXI before and after Abyssea.

I'm sorry, But yes, They are holding the gun to our heads with some of this stuff. they design events that are impossible or very very improbable without the use of certain equipment, and no one likes wasting time. Events like NNI were already very luck based, without the best items, it was almost impossible to the point of useless to hit floor 100.

Delve and Skirmish further push this, as the are intentionally designed to be for the best, so while some people can get away with subpar, people don't like wasting time, and seeing how its their life, they have the right to do this.

Now, that said, its clear SE isn't holding the gun on all events, But on a few there are just no options for less than best if you wish to win. Something like Delve farming could invite a sub-par DD or two and still be successful, but again, I don't comprehend nor understand the hatred or butthurt at people who chose efficiency, its the 1-2 hours of their life being spent, I'm sure they want to spend it effectively, and you spend yours how you want.

If anythings killing the game its the attrocious "Gimme everything!" players who think that if you don't spoon feed them good gear you're an elitist prick, and therfor refuse to get better at anything because they'll always have something to scapegoat the blame for. Is this you? I really don't know, and am not accusing you of such, just the type of people i feel ruin or kill this game... its not the lack of gear, its the attitude problem.

[Falseliberty]

Sorry OP game is better now not worse.
I don't miss waiting 3 weeks for an invite only not to catch it because I went to the bathroom ( true story )

[Kojo]

Sorry OP game is better now not worse.
I don't miss waiting 3 weeks for an invite only not to catch it because I went to the bathroom ( true story )

I know that feel.

He's got a point there. In the day, BRD and RDM were "princess" jobs- you had to screw up pretty good to NOT be wanted in PT's on a regular basis.

In the ToAU and WotG days, only reason we wouldn't invite a certain BRD would be bad attitude or something, like one telling my friend that he hopes his family dies in a fire. (True Story, too.)

[fillerbunny9]

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*yawn* You'd have impressed me if you mentioned BLM, SMN, BST, or PUP. As it stands, *yawn*.

if you needed a party to level BST you were doing it wrong. there were Pudding-burns going up until the level cap. PUP was levelled to ~62 in parties before I started soloing. SMN you were levelling in your level 18 Sync astral burns (and turning a profit as well) but hey, I was levelling jobs up in normal parties all the way until Abyssea, so what the hell do I know.