New Ammunition & Method for Obtainment

[Zeldar]

Wow, lol, what an idiotic idea....make ammo non-consumable? Seriously? I guess next you'l want food to be changed to a non-consumably thing like a job ability? Don't be silly. If ammo is that much of an issue to you, either level woodworking or level another job. Non-consumable..LOL

[kev]

scavenge is not scavenging anything. thf 71/rng 35 ps2, elvaan male, many uses, many areas, avg: 20 times per area
different areas over one week: 10.

[Zeldar]

oH, AND AS FAR AS "WHA DONT MAKE IT PLASM, I NEED A BILLION PLASM" stop being impatient children. You remind me of my son who lost interest in the game because he couldn't go from 1-99 on his first job in 2 days. Delve weapons , gear, and soon to be ammo are not meant to be for the feint of heart that dont want to expend effort. It is elite gear, meant for people ho are willing to dedicate a lot of time and effort to it. the guy that doesn't feel like delving for the stuff shouldn't HAVE the stuff.

[Demon6324236]

oH, AND AS FAR AS "WHA DONT MAKE IT PLASM, I NEED A BILLION PLASM" stop being impatient children. You remind me of my son who lost interest in the game because he couldn't go from 1-99 on his first job in 2 days. Delve weapons , gear, and soon to be ammo are not meant to be for the feint of heart that dont want to expend effort. It is elite gear, meant for people ho are willing to dedicate a lot of time and effort to it. the guy that doesn't feel like delving for the stuff shouldn't HAVE the stuff.

Here is the problem, if the hardest thing in the game is Delve, and you spend more Delve Ammo than you get doing Delve, why get the ammo? It seems to me if you are getting it and you have to use up this expensive ammo then you are probably going to use it on the hardest thing around, which is itself, and if your not making as much back, then it becomes a pointless investment, you should just spend it on gear which effects all of your ammo rather than one which is expensive and exclusive. Just to say, when I mention it being expensive I mean to say that you will probably be spending more on that ammo than you should, so much so that you are getting less damage in the end by neglecting to upgrade gear and weapons with it. Also, non-consumable ammo would allow for them to add in augments to the ammo, they can not if it is consumed, because even if they did, I am not sure who is retarded enough to spend 60 Mil to finish a single arrow or stack of arrows which are slightly stronger. Basically them being non-consumable, sounds like a good idea!

[Camate]

Greetings,

In regards to the new ammo to be added via Delve content, I would like to point out a couple of things.

First, while this ammo can only be obtained from Delve, it is not limited to use with Delve weapons. You will be able to use it with any weapons that can utilize the ammo. However, just like the rest of the Delve equipment it will not be possible to sell or trade them.

Next, I am sure a lot of you are curious about the damage values on this new line of ammo. Though this is still being worked on and there may be some changes, the below values are what we are planning:

• Arrows: Damage 74 (content level 14)
• Bullets: Damage 196 (content level 14)
• Bolt: Damage 93 (content level 20)

Also, once again I would like to repeat something that was mentioned prior by Producer Matsui, but after a certain amount of time has passed with this content and when harder content is implemented, we will be making adjustments so that it is easier to play. Additionally we will be implementing a variety of content with the same content level.

[Chimerawizard]

Any word on throwing ammo? Shuriken used to be the most powerful damage. It would be nice to see some new ones added with delve level dps. Just make sure it isn't as expensive or rare as its predecessors were.

/sarcasm no more than 1000 plasm per shuriken.

[Glamdring]

Any word on throwing ammo? Shuriken used to be the most powerful damage. It would be nice to see some new ones added with delve level dps. Just make sure it isn't as expensive or rare as its predecessors were.

/sarcasm no more than 1000 plasm per shuriken.

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Seriously?! you are going there after whatshisface got hounded off the forum for suggesting ninjas ought to use that throwing skill? brave man...

[Chimerawizard]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

Seriously?! you are going there after whatshisface got hounded off the forum for suggesting ninjas ought to use that throwing skill? brave man...

I am quite proud on my NIN. It's just as awesome as it has always been. Lv.37.

More serious, I remember a NIN/DRK that used to kick everyone's butt in parse. He'd also sometimes spend 500k-1m at an event when he did that. One day he got thrown in with a large ban sweep. Guess I know how he afforded it.

[Karbuncle]

Any word on throwing ammo? Shuriken used to be the most powerful damage. It would be nice to see some new ones added with delve level dps. Just make sure it isn't as expensive or rare as its predecessors were.

/sarcasm no more than 1000 plasm per shuriken.

Pretty much unless Shuriken had 700 DMG and 1 delay, it'd be better to just continue your melee DPS , I think they'd need to buff Throwing for NIN before hey considering applying a Shuriken Bandage.

I mean, I'm not against it, If anything it'd be nice for the shuriken users, but, Wish they'd enhance that aspect of the job if it would benefit the job as a whole.

[Kincard]

Pretty much unless Shuriken had 700 DMG and 1 delay, it'd be better to just continue your melee DPS , I think they'd need to buff Throwing for NIN before hey considering applying a Shuriken Bandage.

I mean, I'm not against it, If anything it'd be nice for the shuriken users, but, Wish they'd enhance that aspect of the job if it would benefit the job as a whole.

Standard delay for Shuriken is 192. With the extra ranged delay added in, that's about 2.6 seconds. Pamun +1 has 125D with ~2s delay (After assuming 50% DW). With capped haste it's 0.8s.

In order for a single Shuriken to outdo an unbuffed Ninja's Pamun+1 it needs to have 163D or so. A capped haste Ninja (not too rare) would require a 407D shuriken. I'm too lazy to consider fSTR2 and higher ranged ratio but it's not like a Ninja will get anywhere near capping either of those anyway.

Sange is worth considering since it'll let you lob 5 at once or whatever, if they want us to only use Shurikens when Sange is available I would ask that we get something like 400+D shurikens when you consider you need to spend 2 seconds just using the dumb JA.