Suggestions for improvements to Geomancer

[Mittenz]

I never said the job is useless and im not complaining, i was stating opinions, observations about the job from my point of view of how i see it, I said the job needs wow factor, you should really read before responding like this.

I agreed that the job is incomplete, this job doesnt even have AF,REM,Merits yet. Of course people are going to state negative points about a job that is not complete. All of my statements about the job is how it works now, not how it will work later when af, bells, gear, merits and other things are added..

Really asking for stoneskin, blink, Cure is asking for buffs to become god Mage? If thats the case, why SCH, RDM,WHM is not god mage yet?

Ive actually played the job, have it at 99, got all the spells etc, so im not talking without knowing anything. Hopefully when SE Updates the spellcasting the job will have a better improvement.

you are asking for it to be able to do EVERYTHING so yes. can a bard cure itself without /rdm or /whm no can a cor not really how about that blm... nope but those are examples your using. Sub job selection is part of the game you are not forced to do it as I said ours uses /nin so it can stay close to the frey.

[Daemon]

you are asking for it to be able to do EVERYTHING so yes. can a bard cure itself without /rdm or /whm no can a cor not really how about that blm... nope but those are examples your using. Sub job selection is part of the game you are not forced to do it as I said ours uses /nin so it can stay close to the frey.

And you are judging someone you dont know with the wrong assumptions, I never "ASKED" that the job be given these spells, "I SAID THE JOB DOESNT HAVE THESE SPELLS" and thats what makes it hard to play solo limiting geomancer to sub mainly whm/rdm.

You reply to my post like someone who skimmed through what ive written, copied a few lines that could change the total context of the meaning of what I said, rather than take the time to see what i was talking about as a whole and not 1 point that defines the explanation of the entire post.

[Mittenz]

in fact lets expand upon what mage can do everything
sch can not debuff without an apropriate SJ no dia bio poison para blind all they get is sleeps and break thats it
whm is a healer (if they are not focusing on that find a new one)
bard buffs cant cure cant DD no debuffs outside of elegy and requiem
cor buffs, has no real debuffs of its own can DD but can not cure
RDM used to be the jack of all trades last time I played with one in a relevent event it was 2010
GEO unresistable debuffs with many unique ones that all stack with other jobs can DD with T4 nukes and RA spells as well as buffs that are shared only between it and cor (well placed in tank PT for refresh bubble to the white mage or with APROPRIATE SUB up close in the frey)
BLM DD cant cure can do blind break and sleep

which of these mages can do everything you want geo to do

you want it to buff debuff support with cures and rival all other mages

all its buffs unlike say a whm and a sch stack I can have a geo defence boost on the PLD and a whm protect I cant have 2 protect 5's on the pld

all its debuffs stack so I can have dia 3 and geo defence down on the mob at the same time or I can even bio the mob and still have a defence or even attack down on the mob.

Why is it that you think geo cant play in a team as well as other mages or that its stuck bound to certain roles that it NEEDS to fill to be useful.

[Mittenz]

And you are judging someone you dont know with the wrong assumptions, I never "ASKED" that the job be given these spells, "I SAID THE JOB DOESNT HAVE THESE SPELLS" and thats what makes it hard to play solo limiting geomancer to sub mainly whm/rdm.

You reply to my post like someone who skimmed through what ive written, copied a few lines that could change the total context of the meaning of what I said, rather than take the time to see what i was talking about as a whole and not 1 point that defines the explanation of the entire post.

I have actually read everything you have written I disagree with a lot of it so our opinions differ in what appears to be a rather wide stance and as such I am replying with my own opinion on a lot of matters with a different point of view, you want it to have a lot of things so that people will accept it I am saying many have already accepted it and buffing it further would make it replace other roles which would then be unfair to them.
EDIT;
as an example so far we have used (and will continue to do so) geo in the following events
Odin V2
Delve (both outside and fracture boss runs)
Wildkeeper reives

Events that it was used but did not do well;
ADL (zerg fight)
Arch Omega (we do this in groups of 3 it did however work if we went with 4)
Arch Ultima (same as above)

[Daemon]

in fact lets expand upon what mage can do everything
sch can not debuff without an apropriate SJ no dia bio poison para blind all they get is sleeps and break thats it
whm is a healer (if they are not focusing on that find a new one)
bard buffs cant cure cant DD no debuffs outside of elegy and requiem
cor buffs, has no real debuffs of its own can DD but can not cure
RDM used to be the jack of all trades last time I played with one in a relevent event it was 2010
GEO unresistable debuffs with many unique ones that all stack with other jobs can DD with T4 nukes and RA spells as well as buffs that are shared only between it and cor (well placed in tank PT for refresh bubble to the white mage or with APROPRIATE SUB up close in the frey)
BLM DD cant cure can do blind break and sleep

which of these mages can do everything you want geo to do

you want it to buff debuff support with cures and rival all other mages

all its buffs unlike say a whm and a sch stack I can have a geo defence boost on the PLD and a whm protect I cant have 2 protect 5's on the pld

all its debuffs stack so I can have dia 3 and geo defence down on the mob at the same time or I can even bio the mob and still have a defence or even attack down on the mob.

Why is it that you think geo cant play in a team as well as other mages or that its stuck bound to certain roles that it NEEDS to fill to be useful.

You seriously need to go back and re-read my post, seriously you are miss judging what i said and trying to make arguements that are not even necessary.

"I NEVER SAID GEO SHOULD BE GIVEN THESE THINGS" you mentioned above.
You are missing the entire point of my post, I compared a lot of traits between the mage classes and stated the downside of the job, Never did i say SE NEED TO GIVE US BLINK, STONESKIN, ETC.

Really No wonder you think I wanted a God mage, Sure if any classes could have every single mage class buff it would be Godly.. But I never asked for that!

Most of the comparison is based on why would you want Geo over "THESE JOBS THAT CAN DO THE SAME THING BUT BETTER?"

[Mittenz]

You seriously need to go back and re-read my post, seriously you are miss judging what i said and trying to make arguements that are not even necessary.

"I NEVER SAID GEO SHOULD BE GIVEN THESE THINGS" you mentioned above.
You are missing the entire point of my post, I compared a lot of traits between the mage classes and stated the downside of the job, Never did i say SE NEED TO GIVE US BLINK, STONESKIN, ETC.

Really No wonder you think I wanted a God mage, Sure if any classes could have every single mage class buff it would be Godly.. But I never asked for that!

Most of the comparison is based on why would you want Geo over "THESE JOBS THAT CAN DO THE SAME THING BUT BETTER?"

I believe I answered your final question in the very post you quoted. because it can do everything that all debuffers can do and even some they cant while ADDING to their counterparts debuffs while other jobs have to compete to whos is on.

Now answer me this~ why is it you feel it doesnt play as well with other mages knowing that its buffs all stack and its debuffs all stack unlike all other mages.

[Daemon]

I have actually read everything you have written I disagree with a lot of it so our opinions differ in what appears to be a rather wide stance and as such I am replying with my own opinion on a lot of matters with a different point of view, you want it to have a lot of things so that people will accept it I am saying many have already accepted it and buffing it further would make it replace other roles which would then be unfair to them.
EDIT;
as an example so far we have used (and will continue to do so) geo in the following events
Odin V2
Delve (both outside and fracture boss runs)
Wildkeeper reives

Events that it was used but did not do well;
ADL (zerg fight)
Arch Omega (we do this in groups of 3 it did however work if we went with 4)
Arch Ultima (same as above)

See those bold letters from your post? Show me where in my post did I say I wanted anything? The only suggestions i made was that

Geo would make the job better if SE didnt have Indi and Geo spells restricted to "Party only"
In several of the areas of the post i stated that Enfeebling magic level is too low
That Geomancer needs job specific traits and gear that make the job shine
That RA spells would make the job unique and different if it could inflict debuff status like paralyze, magic defense down or freeze mob for 3 seconds.

I never said anything about wanting Geo to have Cure, Stoneskin, Blink, and if you read the part about Redmage and how SE watered the job down by adding other jobs with the skill and gear, and how RDM is not invited anymore for that skill specifically. Then im sure we can agree that Im on the same page as you when it comes to making jobs better than others.

In fact what i stated that conflicts with your reply is that should give Geo spells that Differ from other jobs and not just give us spells other jobs have, slap a higher boost on them...

[Daemon]

I believe I answered your final question in the very post you quoted. because it can do everything that all debuffers can do and even some they cant while ADDING to their counterparts debuffs while other jobs have to compete to whos is on.

Now answer me this~ why is it you feel it doesnt play as well with other mages knowing that its buffs all stack and its debuffs all stack unlike all other mages.

Again if you actually read my post then you will see that I said spells take too long to cast, it doesnt play well in areas that are fast pace where party chooses not to wait on mages to buff, and i never said that Geo doesnt play well with other mages, just given that Geo spells require members of the party to sit in one spot and stay in the area of geo spells or have a geo following people around makes it tough in areas where party members need to move around and cant stay together. Geo is one of the jobs that require a party to be patient, and in big events where movement is fast i just dont see this happening,

NEVER DID I SAY GEO DOESNT WORK WELL WITH OTHER JOBS. I said why would you choose a geo over certain jobs that have the same ability, that can do it better, faster, effiecient, that can allow players movement freedom?

Sheesh really, go back and read before you post, because im sitting here repeating myself explaining the same thing all over again while defending myself for no reason.

[Daemon]

Wow another elitist that seems to expect everyone else to be the same. I do not know about the Japanese on Phoenix but on shiva they're not as critical of your gear as long as you do your job and obviously aren't showing up in all pink. Heck the person who runs my delve LS is Chinese. I feel that English an EU players care more about what you have or don't have.

Others might not have gone and made the staff because its not as usefull for everyone that can use it. A Smn that has a Nirvana probably won't go and make the emp staff because their mythic is better for what they do. Also am I to assume everyone who plays Sch on your server has a 99 emp staff? Or is it just you and a select few?

Im not an elitist, Seriously hate it when people judge others. I never said or implied that I expect people to be the same so where on earth did that come from? I know everyone in the game are at different levels and that goes for all games not just this one. Some people are new, some have better accomplishments than others.

I stated that people at endgame or serious players, be it NA, EU, JP, or any other "ENDGAME" parties doing endgame related things have REM 99, AF3 and all skills capped, is that really hard to do??? Although I dont expect it to be this way, but how can one call themself endgame status if these basic things are not accomplished?

Can you call yourself a doctor without going through medical school, graduating and earning that degree?

No my EMP is not 99 yet, its 85, but i have not found the need to go beyond 85 since having Myrkr is more than enough and does a great job as it is, maybe in the future i may consider completing it. But your reply totally contridicts what i said.. and correct me if im wrong but did i not say at the end of my post:

I understand there are many players that are at different levels of the game, but also not everyone plays seriously, or has the drive, dedication, time, self care, mannerism, etc..

So how on earth does this make me out to be an elitist?

[Lithera]

Because you assume and/or imply that everyone should have those things dispite the fact that not everyone is at the same lv. You are also comming off as thinking Geo is useless because it doesn't have those things. Yes, right now the job isn't as fleshed out as you would like but please tell me of any job that was when it 1st introduced? Blu sucked hardcore before it got some much needed spells added to its list. Be upset and maybe narrow minded about the job because its not where you want it to be RIGHT now, but that is right now. You know that there are some of the things you are complaining about are comming in the next update. So until then stay off the job if you are not enjoying it or feel its usefull in end game. Come back after the update and see if the thing which are going to be implemted make it better. If they haven't then fine write a post about how it can be better then.