Suggestions for improvements to Geomancer

[Daemon]

So your complaint is that geo is only good for current content events and not stuff that a majority of the game no longer cares about. Well ATM it's more used (at least by my ls) than rdm blm sch and smn so you want it to be more used than ALL mages ? In general it's already more used than my mythic pup and mythic dnc ever was and geo only been out what 2 months ? I am really not seeing your side of this, the job has a purpose the job is being used in RELEVANT content what exactly are you after geo to be the games lord and savior that comes in 1 shots all things that move then ascends to the heavens until called forth again ?

Well i know not all servers are the same. Reading from what the devs posted about next update as you can see answered some of what i stated.

Am i wrong to say that...

Enfeebling magic sucks for Geomancer
Spells take too long to cast?
Geo has no AF/REM/Merits yet?
Spells are limited to party only and would be nice to have the spells benefit others outside of party say alliance too?
RA spells and Geo spells cost too much MP?
Limited to only WHM/RDM subjob because has no Cure or Protective spells on its own to be independant?
That other jobs right now due to having EMP/AF/Merits benefit parties more than Geo?

I never said Geo is 100% Useless, but this post is about suggesting improvements to Geomancer job. I dont see what is wrong with me suggesting some points.

Its not about making Geo God of the game, I just said that Geo should be totally different rather give it so many skills that other jobs can do better, this is the reason why certain jobs got watered down, in the first place, do we really need another refresh job?

We already have Scholar for Regen V, do we really need to water down scholar job like redmage by adding more Regen capable jobs?

Its not about me complaining but how do you suggest making a job better in a post like this if I cant even state what makes the job lacking, boring, unexciting first?

[Lithera]

Its not about singling out the class, its about putting the mage jobs together to see what gives a better result? What saves time, what is needed, what is efficient.

Yet, you have already singled out geo's buff/debuff as being inefficient due to other jobs being able to do them better in your opinion. So I ask again why would anyone want Sch's regain when Cor can do it better?

[Mittenz]

Suggestion for improvement and complaining and acting like geo is useless are very different things and as far as I can tell you appear to fall into the later half

I will say I am not a fan of geo simply because the effect gives me a headache so in things like delve where it's cramped quarters it's a bit of a pain to arrange myself to not see it but I will be the first one to take it along because of its usefulness but you seem to think its helpless

I am going to assume you have geo and care about it so you should understand that the job is clearly designed for support like a bard, so assuming party play you will have a healer to watch out for you so why would you need to do that yourself... Go /nin stand next to that jerk mob and give it a one two.

The adjustments they are giving are plenty to push geo even further into parties if you think it needs more by all means make suggestions but sitting there saying geo can't do what this Mage and that Mage can is complaining every job has its ups and downs (except rdm that's all down ATM) play to its strengths if your ls won't support your geo either your doing content that is not even designed to be hard anymore and can likely be 3 boxed (looking at you arch omega/ultima) or is a Zerg in which case your only taking 3-4 jobs anyway so take up the torch for the other 16+ jobs. If you are doing something that's relevant to geo namely delve nm outside or inside or boss runs or any current adoulin content and yur ls still refuses to acknowledge geo try to explain to your leader it's merits (yes it has plenty) not ask for buffs to become god Mage.

[Jamesy]

why doesnt square enix change loupan AI to not be stationary? to me its a hefty flaw and that the loupans should follow what ever target they are cast on that way it makes geo-gravity actually have a purpose.

[Lithera]

Wow another elitist that seems to expect everyone else to be the same. I do not know about the Japanese on Phoenix but on shiva they're not as critical of your gear as long as you do your job and obviously aren't showing up in all pink. Heck the person who runs my delve LS is Chinese. I feel that English an EU players care more about what you have or don't have.

Others might not have gone and made the staff because its not as usefull for everyone that can use it. A Smn that has a Nirvana probably won't go and make the emp staff because their mythic is better for what they do. Also am I to assume everyone who plays Sch on your server has a 99 emp staff? Or is it just you and a select few?

[Mittenz]

Wow another elitist that seems to expect everyone else to be the same. I do not know about the Japanese on Phoenix but on shiva they're not as critical of your gear as long as you do your job and obviously aren't showing up in all pink. Heck the person who runs my delve LS is Chinese. I feel that English an EU players care more about what you have or don't have.

Others might not have gone and made the staff because its not as usefull for everyone that can use it. A Smn that has a Nirvana probably won't go and make the emp staff because their mythic is better for what they do. Also am I to assume everyone who plays Sch on your server has a 99 emp staff? Or is it just you and a select few?

Defintely not elitest if they think geo has no uniqueness and usefulness in current content seems more like a missinformed individual with a complex

[Daemon]

Yet, you have already singled out geo's buff/debuff as being inefficient due to other jobs being able to do them better in your opinion. So I ask again why would anyone want Sch's regain when Cor can do it better?

Maybe some of you are misunderstanding or not reading my post all the way and just skimming through fast.

You have singled out only 1 reason out of the many things ive said about geomancer as a whole and not for its single spells or traits. Its not about Geo Buff being inefficient, its about comparing the time, Mp cost, what the job can provide as a whole to the entire alliance compared to other mage class jobs. Geo can only have 1 indi spell up at a time, where as bard and cor can have more than 1 buff up and switch those buffs quickly and not have your party wait in 1 spot or have you following them around.

Some of the spells that Geo has other jobs already had so there is a reason to compare that based on time, effeciency, etc...

Why have a Geomancer cast Indi-Refresh or Geo-Refresh, when Bard can use Ballad I,II,III, or Redmage Refresh with composure and af gear allowing enhancing magic to stick longer, Cor can use rolls and yet allow players to move around without having them wait in 1 spot.

Scholar can have several buffs up at once, so yeah if you compare Geomancer and its 1 indi spell and 1 Geo luopan vs the other jobs, overall as a support in a fast movement environment, its hard to play Geomancer unless its a boss event where DD can hold the mob in 1 spot.

As for your example:

If i had to choose between Scholar or Corsair for regain, then yes I would choose Corsair because obviously the job provides a higher regain than scholar. But as a whole alliance and comparing jobs that better benefit the group depending on the situation i might choose Scholar if party needs a main healer, or corsair if party needs the rolls. Can Geo be used as a main healer? or can Geo outdamge SCH as a nuker when SCH has T5 spells? Or can Geo give multiple buffs than Corsair and Bard? Or does Geo have better support skills than Scholar which has many? When I was talking about 18 man events, these are details people look at and observe based on the alliance as a whole.

If I had to choose Scholar + Corsair or Scholar + Geo, I would definately choose Scholar + Corsair because not only can the party benefit from these 2 jobs, its time efficient being that buffs stick and party doesnt have to stand in one spot and wait especially in a situation where time management is important.


Its not about choosing Cor over scholar only because cor can regain better. Its about how Geo as a whole when comparing the job with other classes, how does it stand out, is it worth sacrificing a spot to invite this job over others, does this class worth well as a team with other mage classes?


Most important, how can the job stack buffs with other mage classes?

Sure Geo can Refresh and Regen Party, and yes it stacks well with cor, brd, rdm refresh, but if i had to choose Geo over Cor, Brd, Rdm, you have to look at the fact that would you rather have a job that can cast a spell on a person allowing them to move freely around maps or a job that requires people to either stay in 1 spot and not move out of the area or have the geomancer follow everyone? Wouldnt it be hard if you had 2 mages in the back, 1 running around raising people, 1 running to the other side to avoid aoe spell from boss, 1 running to DD to cast a buff on entire alliance etc?

[Mittenz]

Its not about choosing Cor over scholar only because cor can regain better. Its about how Geo as a whole when comparing the job with other classes, how does it stand out, is it worth sacrificing a spot to invite this job over others, does this class worth well as a team with other mage classes?

if your taking an rdm the answer is a rather obvious yes because you already are inviting jobs that are so underwhelming its sad

[Mittenz]

also the Geo debuffs are far more impresive than its buffs namely the evasion down luopon its simply put.. broken.

it offers debuffs that are not found anywhere else or at least not in a way that is reliable or as noticable. So the answer is yes regardless of the circumstance if a mob is in need of debuffing I would invite a geo over other mages hands down

[Daemon]

Suggestion for improvement and complaining and acting like geo is useless are very different things and as far as I can tell you appear to fall into the later half

I will say I am not a fan of geo simply because the effect gives me a headache so in things like delve where it's cramped quarters it's a bit of a pain to arrange myself to not see it but I will be the first one to take it along because of its usefulness but you seem to think its helpless

I am going to assume you have geo and care about it so you should understand that the job is clearly designed for support like a bard, so assuming party play you will have a healer to watch out for you so why would you need to do that yourself... Go /nin stand next to that jerk mob and give it a one two.

The adjustments they are giving are plenty to push geo even further into parties if you think it needs more by all means make suggestions but sitting there saying geo can't do what this Mage and that Mage can is complaining every job has its ups and downs (except rdm that's all down ATM) play to its strengths if your ls won't support your geo either your doing content that is not even designed to be hard anymore and can likely be 3 boxed (looking at you arch omega/ultima) or is a Zerg in which case your only taking 3-4 jobs anyway so take up the torch for the other 16+ jobs. If you are doing something that's relevant to geo namely delve nm outside or inside or boss runs or any current adoulin content and yur ls still refuses to acknowledge geo try to explain to your leader it's merits (yes it has plenty) not ask for buffs to become god Mage.

I never said the job is useless and im not complaining, i was stating opinions, observations about the job from my point of view of how i see it, I said the job needs wow factor, you should really read before responding like this.

I agreed that the job is incomplete, this job doesnt even have AF,REM,Merits yet. Of course people are going to state negative points about a job that is not complete. All of my statements about the job is how it works now, not how it will work later when af, bells, gear, merits and other things are added..

Really asking for stoneskin, blink, Cure is asking for buffs to become god Mage? If thats the case, why SCH, RDM,WHM is not god mage yet?

Ive actually played the job, have it at 99, got all the spells etc, so im not talking without knowing anything. Hopefully when SE Updates the spellcasting the job will have a better improvement.