Temper (A request)

[Demon6324236]

Oh, so what's REALLY going on here is that you just want to be overpowered

No, I want all parts of my job to be balanced in a way of which they can be used well. Look at our healing, we are in 3rd place, WHM is 1st, then SCH, then RDM, and lastly PLD, if you go only by standard healing magic, now look at nuking, its been BLM in 1st, then SCH, then RDM, and lastly DRK, again, we are 3rd. If there are 3 ratings to Physical DDing it would be Heavy DDs, then Light DDs, then Hybrids, and lastly Mages. We are again, in 3rd, but we are not caught up to where we should be, see, other hybrid jobs are something like BLU, or even NIN, but we are not at that level, or even close to it, BLU and NIN both smash our DPS in optimum gear, and even with the changes I ask for they would still beat us, we would be the lowest in our 3rd place tier basically, we would just suck a lot less, we would be within about 10% of those two jobs in DPS, rather than now when we are about 20~25% lower in optimum gear.

[Rooj]

rather than now when we are about 20~25% lower in optimum gear.

and?

Thanks for proving my statement true.

[Demon6324236]

and?

Thanks for proving my statement true.

So RDM being 20~25% weaker than other hybrid jobs is balance, but RDM being 10% below other hybrid jobs is broken and overpowered?

[Duelle]

So RDM being 20~25% weaker than other hybrid jobs is balance, but RDM being 10% below other hybrid jobs is broken and overpowered?

Rooj sounds too much like the trolls that invaded the original melee thread a while back. Tread with caution, Demon.

[Rustic]

So shove RDM into the back lines where it can cycle Temper and Haste on a party, no thanks.

Implying we didn't used to do this with Refresh and Haste in meritpos and such?

Front, back, sideways- just define where we're useful in the end and give us the tools to do things.

[Demon6324236]

Implying we didn't used to do this with Refresh and Haste in meritpos and such?

No, implying I knew where we came from and do not want to go back to it because it was terrible...

[Tassidaru]

...you know... i might dream of RDM being a truly competitive dd, but in the end, all i want is to be able to do enough dmg that people don't complain that I'm just feeding the mob tp. And i really would like to be able to get decent dd gear without running to the ends of the earth to get it. I do that enough for corsair as it is.

[Demon6324236]

...you know... i might dream of RDM being a truly competitive dd, but in the end, all i want is to be able to do enough dmg that people don't complain that I'm just feeding the mob tp. And i really would like to be able to get decent dd gear without running to the ends of the earth to get it.

Basically how I feel, that, and not having to explain to every person who sees me on RDM that my gear is near optimum for TPing, even though it looks like I randomly just grabbed some gear and threw it on in a rush because I could not stop at the Porter for my real gear...

[Damane]

No, implying I knew where we came from and do not want to go back to it because it was terrible...

1. Go to your moghouse
2. Pick the button change job
3. Pick any job that isnt RDM
----> fixed for you

If you really think RDM will be adjusted in the melee department that way that it can compete with the top-dog Melees, you are delusional and frankly know nothing about balance. There is a reason why BLU can compete with them and RDM cant.
BLU has to sacrifice alot of its spellslots to get the traits it needs and to set the SJ it needs to come close to them, mostly by sacrificing alot of their self cure/debuff/buff capabilitys.
Do you really think RDM would get a free pass to top-tier melee dmg without it getting stomped somewhere? you would need to lock out half of RDMs spells for that to happen, or otherwise you are looking at a melee&tank that can keep himself alive just fine.
Grow up and think about it logically: the only way to fix RDM would be to focus on its backline capabilitys like buffing/debuffing/curing and fixing that. Because that is the only way to go for the Job without breaking it.

[Demon6324236]

1. Go to your moghouse
2. Pick the button change job
3. Pick any job that isnt RDM
----> fixed for you

Oh I see, I should play another job rather than asking for my job to be fixed.

If you really think RDM will be adjusted in the melee department that way that it can compete with the top-dog Melees, you are delusional and frankly know nothing about balance. There is a reason why BLU can compete with them and RDM cant.

Here we go with the top again, when in the hell did I ask for RDM to be a competitor with the top DDs in the game? Show me where I asked for that once! I want to see it. I have asked for us to fit in with lighter DDs better, not surpass them, but come close enough that our DD power is not seen as a waste of time or space, so we can actually use that side of the job. I really hate when people put words in my posts, and you just did, as I said, not asking for top, or near top, I just want to be less shit.

BLU has to sacrifice alot of its spellslots to get the traits it needs and to set the SJ it needs to come close to them, mostly by sacrificing alot of their self cure/debuff/buff capabilitys.
Do you really think RDM would get a free pass to top-tier melee dmg without it getting stomped somewhere? you would need to lock out half of RDMs spells for that to happen, or otherwise you are looking at a melee&tank that can keep himself alive just fine.

Even if you give RDM access to the same gear as BLU, BLU would be stronger because of those spells and traits, BLU has buff spells for offence as well as powerful enfeebling type spells as well as types of spells RDM has no access to natively at all, like quick stuns, or a cure with Attack bonus on it.

Grow up and think about it logically

I have, I also used sheets to determine the effect this would have on the jobs damage, and it would still be weaker than many other jobs, as I said before, I aim to be in a 3rd place position of Hybrid jobs, above mage jobs and below real Light DDs and Heavy DDs, where we belong, but are not at currently, we are to far behind right now, this gear would put us where we should be at, a slight bonus from a unique DW trait or Brave would go a long way as well.

the only way to fix RDM would be to focus on its backline capabilitys like buffing/debuffing/curing and fixing that. Because that is the only way to go for the Job without breaking it.

Boom, your normal statement that makes no sense because by doing that you do nothing but again, make us a slightly altered SCH, a worthless copy of another job. I explained this earlier this thread I think if you care to go read it, SCH has almost everything better in a full mage department than RDM does and if you enhance RDM to be the same you are doing nothing but making it a copy with some slight alterations. Out magic is fine besides needing some new unique spells in the places where we specialize, our melee has fallen behind, what sets RDM apart from any other job, we are the only mage with access to both sides of magic while having a melee side as well, flaw is that we fail to melee well enough to matter. Fix the melee part and we have a unique ability, ignore it and work on magic and we become nothing but an alternate SCH.