Beastmaster: Will I ever charm again?

[Yopop]

You guys need to understand what your reading. The post was moved to the appropriate section so thus the section you were posting was for Site Feedback only.

As for mobs that can be Charmed.

If people leave Abyssea for awhile they'll notice there are DC/EM/T mobs for level 90 BST in all kinds of areas. Tav Safehold, Mount Z, Sky, etc

I soloed from 1-90 on BST outside of Abyssea and there are plenty of charm-able mobs based on the appropriate zone.

[Xilk]

You guys need to understand what your reading. The post was moved to the appropriate section so thus the section you were posting was for Site Feedback only.

As for mobs that can be Charmed.

If people leave Abyssea for awhile they'll notice there are DC/EM/T mobs for level 90 BST in all kinds of areas. Tav Safehold, Mount Z, Sky, etc

I soloed from 1-90 on BST outside of Abyssea and there are plenty of charm-able mobs based on the appropriate zone.

Yeah, if you notice around 7:15 AM EST they also added a new clarification on the description for that section clarifying it. So, it was their intention... but it was mislabeled.

Regarding their response to greater mobs not being charm-able in the past.... That was then, this is now. things have changed considerably don't you think?

[Yopop]

Xilk, jeeze dude just accept you were wrong and you correct people ended up blowing up in your face.

And I'm not sure what you are speaking about past and present. The mobs I listed in my post are mobs that are in the game now.

I think people need to stop living in Abyssea and explore the zones, they've added mobs all over that are EM to VT+ to 90 , just have to get out of Abyssea and explore.

[Tsukino_Kaji]

Just because a job can solo, doesn't mean that it should. I personing only ever lvled BST solo from 1-10, that of course is because you never pt in those lvls. Then spent the rest of my time doing more damage in parties then the best equipped elf WARs, plus my jug damage on top of that.

Oh to the topic at hand though. The whole "never charm again" issue is generated by abyssea itself. SE never thought that it would have been such a major game breaker(Since in a typical move, this was thier last-ditch-effort, while betting everything on FFXIV.). SE need to sit down and figure out how fo "fix" life outside of abyssea and/or inside abyssea so that regular zones can be useable again.

[Jile]

I agree, I miss the old school play on BST. While there are indeed some charmable mobs that have been added at higher levels - I'd be glad if any new expansions SE makes (like for 90->99), could be used without any jug pets.

Anyone that played BST outside aby, soloing to 75 has warm memories of the sapling-bird camp in the mire, or the leech camp vs birds in thickets, great exp camps for solo BST. Ultimately I think its that, the OP is really missing and while there are a few new camps available for a high lvl BST, its just not quite the same.

SE, I do love the new jugs - don't get me wrong... but I'd also like to get more use out of my +CHR set, when the next expansion/areas come out. (plz) lol.

[Koroma]

Many have begged and pleaded with se to let us charm in abyessa but they seem content to ignore us. As for we will ever charm again unless se makes a new event with charmable mobs probably not.

[Glamdring]

I just think a lizard is a lizard, it should be charmable in Abyssea or out. Jugs are not really intended to be our main pets, at least they weren't before Abyssea. Part of the challenge of playing Beast was the possibility of a mischarm. That's really gone now. The reason beast was such a potent soloer was that no matter how tough an EM mob was, a charmed EM mob was just as tough and gave you the survivability to solo almost anywhere. I really don't like that NOW end-game a ninja is a better soloer than beastmaster as an example. I leveled beast in the 1st place so that I could play without having to wait on forming a party in almost any circumstance; it's a good thing my dancer is also 90 so that I can still solo end-game.

[Virtue]

I wonder if the people who are clamoring to be able to Charm again are the same people who melee in their +CHR gear. My inventory praises the day they got rid of Charming, as that means there is that much less gear to carry around.

I do have fond memories of charming mobs and pet swapping. But I definitely don't miss mis-charms, extremely limited selections of XP camps, and people stealing my pets.

I also think you guys might be missing the point. The problem with charmable mobs is that, due to game mechanics, other jobs are better BSTs than BSTs at high levels. RDMs, BLMs, NINs, DNCs, even CORs that solo things in Abyssea could go /BST and throw charmed pets at NMs to supplement damage. They'd be more effective than BST mains due to the other tools at their disposal. As it stands, jug pets make BSTs unique.

Also- what makes your pet awesome in Abyssea is your atma. Are you going to make the atmas you're using extend to mobs you charm? That makes the problem I mentioned above that much worse.

[Xilk]

I wonder if the people who are clamoring to be able to Charm again are the same people who melee in their +CHR gear. My inventory praises the day they got rid of Charming, as that means there is that much less gear to carry around.

I do have fond memories of charming mobs and pet swapping. But I definitely don't miss mis-charms, extremely limited selections of XP camps, and people stealing my pets.

I also think you guys might be missing the point. The problem with charmable mobs is that, due to game mechanics, other jobs are better BSTs than BSTs at high levels. RDMs, BLMs, NINs, DNCs, even CORs that solo things in Abyssea could go /BST and throw charmed pets at NMs to supplement damage. They'd be more effective than BST mains due to the other tools at their disposal. As it stands, jug pets make BSTs unique.

Also- what makes your pet awesome in Abyssea is your atma. Are you going to make the atmas you're using extend to mobs you charm? That makes the problem I mentioned above that much worse.

if pet lost charm, then it would lose my atma bonus. :P
Sure I melee in my CHR gear? who wouldn't?? Ferine Quijotes +2 Ferine Cabasset +2.. Ferine Mantle, Ferine Necklace...

the point is 12 second recast for pet vs 4:10s.

[Virtue]

In mentioning the CHR bonuses on AF3+2 gear (and not everyone has that), you bring up a good point. For charms you don't want to fail, you'll be stacking CHR. For duration, you'll be stacking +Charm. That's even more gear to carry around. I personally like leaving stuff like AF2 head in storage.

The point I was trying to make is that some people aim to be perfectionists. What I like about FFXI is that there is usually a "best" option for each gear slot. Once they got rid of Charm, it freed up a lot of room in my inventory.

I like the nostalgia of using Charm, but I'd be more than happy if they kept it on the backburner and just increased the variety and utility of jug pets.