Noddy Ring + Puffin Ring + Ebisu and Liks/Gugrusaurus

[Ithil]

Hello all,

This was a thread I originally opened in BG, but I never got a conclusive answer.

I have been farming my Ebisu for the last two months (1/230ish Liks, 0/200 Gugrus atm), so I have spent a lot of time in Leremieu Lagoon and the ferry.

Using Lu Shang and no r/e bait, ofc I needed Albatross and Penguin/Seagull. Seagull was a bit tight, but manageable.

I couldn't stop noticing that every single person fishing on those spots are using the following setup:
Ebisu
Puffin Ring
Noddy Ring
Meatball for Gugru
Minnow for Lik

That is for real, for two months, I never saw anybody on Lik/Gugru spots using any other rings.

Now my question is, is that really possible without botting? Does the Ebisu make so much of a difference that you can manage both fish with just those rings? I got several PMs of Ebisu owners saying that in their opinon it is impossible with that setup, unless you are the perfect fisher (aka botter). I can understand that *some* people are perfect fishers, but not all of them. And everybody was using this setup with success.

I would like to know the official stance of SE about this.

Regards.

[Fynlar]

Does the Ebisu make so much of a difference that you can manage both fish with just those rings?

No, it doesn't. The Ebisu is really just an unbreakable Lu that also gives something like +46 fishing skill (which is useless, cuz these fish are high enough level to still auto regen anyway)

[VoiceMemo]

As a 100% legit fisherman(I did 0-102(atm) fishing by myself manually and fished up 100% of my ebisu items I'll share my experience.

I couldn't stop noticing that every single person fishing on those spots are using the following setup:
Ebisu
Puffin Ring
Noddy Ring
Meatball for Gugru
Minnow for Lik

I'm guessing your not on asura(while writing this post could, the message box covers that part of the profile) as I rode the boat often and used setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.

Now my question is, is that really possible without botting?

Yes it is absolutely possible. My advice is that you face yourself. What I mean by this is rotate the camera in 3rd person till you are facing your character(not looking at your characters back) while fishing. This way you will use the tap method in the direction of the rod movement instead of the opposite direction. I find this is easier than having to think in reverse. And like I mentioned tap the direction, don't hold down the button.

At 92 even with albatross ring it was quite difficult to reel them in, this is the lowest lvl I would suggest fishing them at. Since you didn't post your lvl, I can only guess you are at least that level. As you lvl up from fishing up Guru's it gets easier of course.

I had 2 albatross rings and would use 1 per ride, the pelican ring I would use every other ride.

I would fish about 10-15 per day before stopping. Guru's seem to have a higher fatigue rate than other fish.

Does the Ebisu make so much of a difference that you can manage both fish with just those rings?

The reason to use that combination of rings is that it will decrease the monsters caught on hook and give higher chance at larger prey(!!!) ones. Although my testing of Puffin ring indicates otherwise.(But that's a story for another time)

I got several PMs of Ebisu owners saying that in their opinon it is impossible with that setup, unless you are the perfect fisher (aka botter). I can understand that *some* people are perfect fishers, but not all of them. And everybody was using this setup with success.
Regards.

I would look at those opinions with skepticism, although you could look at mine the same way, but anyone on asura that knows me can vouch for my fishing skills and knowledge. I have mentored many fishermen that were non fishers at start.

Hope this helps
VM

[ReplicaX]

No, it doesn't. The Ebisu is really just an unbreakable Lu that also gives something like +46 fishing skill (which is useless, cuz these fish are high enough level to still auto regen anyway)

Yes it does. Regardless of auto regen on these higher fish, Ebisu still depletes stamina at a faster rate than Lu Shang's. It gives you more of a chance reeling in a harder fish before losing it. There is a noticeable difference between the 2 rods fishing legitimately.

Take VoiceMemo's advice, these 2 are a major difference:
- Set camera towards yourself in 3rd person.
- Tapping direction and not holding.

There are plenty of skilled and legitimate fishers out there, that have earned their Ebisu using Lu Shang's and were 90+ skill. I knew of 2 personally.

[Ithil]

Hello VoiceMemo,

From your description, I get mixed messages: on the one hand, you say that you have been using Albatross rings, on the other hand you say that it is possible to fish Gugrus/Liks without them and without botting.

My problem is not that I cannot get those fish, it is that I cannot see how you can get them just using Noddy and Puffin, which ofc in theory are the optimal setup for them. Unless you tell me that once you get the Ebisu, it makes those fish a lot easier, I cannot understand how you can get them without using Albatross and/or Penguin/Seagull.

Btw, I am on Ragnarok and my fishing level is 102. I also have all possible fishing enhancements, except the torque, which I have but cannot use (still lvl75 ;-)

Regards.

As a 100% legit fisherman(I did 0-102(atm) fishing by myself manually and fished up 100% of my ebisu items I'll share my experience.



I'm guessing your not on asura(while writing this post could, the message box covers that part of the profile) as I rode the boat often and used setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.




Yes it is absolutely possible. My advice is that you face yourself. What I mean by this is rotate the camera in 3rd person till you are facing your character(not looking at your characters back) while fishing. This way you will use the tap method in the direction of the rod movement instead of the opposite direction. I find this is easier than having to think in reverse. And like I mentioned tap the direction, don't hold down the button.

At 92 even with albatross ring it was quite difficult to reel them in, this is the lowest lvl I would suggest fishing them at. Since you didn't post your lvl, I can only guess you are at least that level. As you lvl up from fishing up Guru's it gets easier of course.

I had 2 albatross rings and would use 1 per ride, the pelican ring I would use every other ride.

I would fish about 10-15 per day before stopping. Guru's seem to have a higher fatigue rate than other fish.



The reason to use that combination of rings is that it will decrease the monsters caught on hook and give higher chance at larger prey(!!!) ones. Although my testing of Puffin ring indicates otherwise.(But that's a story for another time)



I would look at those opinions with skepticism, although you could look at mine the same way, but anyone on asura that knows me can vouch for my fishing skills and knowledge. I have mentored many fishermen that were non fishers at start.

Hope this helps
VM

[ReplicaX]

Hello VoiceMemo,

From your description, I get mixed messages: on the one hand, you say that you have been using Albatross rings, on the other hand you say that it is possible to fish Gugrus/Liks without them and without botting.

My problem is not that I cannot get those fish, it is that I cannot see how you can get them just using Noddy and Puffin, which ofc in theory are the optimal setup for them. Unless you tell me that once you get the Ebisu, it makes those fish a lot easier, I cannot understand how you can get them without using Albatross and/or Penguin/Seagull.

Btw, I am on Ragnarok and my fishing level is 102. I also have all possible fishing enhancements, except the torque, which I have but cannot use (still lvl75 ;-)

Regards.

Simply stated

If you are not having any issues reeling in Liks then Noddy/Puffin is going to help increase your bite rate on the fish.

If you are having issues reeling in Liks stamina wise (Not line/rod breaks) then Albatross and/or Seagull is going to help reeling them in.

If you have all these rings and are still undecided, test the setups yourself and see which is landing you more fish.

[Ithil]

Sorry for going back to the same topic, but nobody is directly answering my original question, or at least I don't understand the answers :-)

Let me make a more detailed example. Forget about Liks, imagine the following setup:

Target: Gugrusaurus in the ferry to Al Zahbi
Rod: Lu Shang
Bait: Meatball

With this, there is no way at all for me to land a Gugrusaurus unless I use an Albatross ring charge. Even if I make no mistakes while tapping (and I do indeed tap, not press), without the extra help of the Albatross there is no time to deplete the stamina, impossible at least for me. The feedback I got from others is the same.

Now, is it possible with an Ebisu? Does the Ebisu have such an increased "potency" that it would make me not need an Albatross charge (and hence just Noddy and Puffin for an optimal setup)?

Regards.

Simply stated

If you are not having any issues reeling in Liks then Noddy/Puffin is going to help increase your bite rate on the fish.

If you are having issues reeling in Liks stamina wise (Not line/rod breaks) then Albatross and/or Seagull is going to help reeling them in.

If you have all these rings and are still undecided, test the setups yourself and see which is landing you more fish.

[Sapphire]

Now, is it possible with an Ebisu? Does the Ebisu have such an increased "potency" that it would make me not need an Albatross charge (and hence just Noddy and Puffin for an optimal setup)?

Regards.

Yes, with an Ebisu you CAN catch Gugs w/o the Albatross and with the Noddy and Puffin. And not botting even. Mind you that Liks, Gugs, Haks, Matsya etc are stupidly high level fish, so even bot fishers with Ebisus and all the fishing + items lose a lot of bait fishing them.

But an Ebisu is QUITE the upgrade from a Lu Shang's - not just unbreakable. Someone I knew who botted (the character is banned now anyway) was once fishing Gugs with his Lu Shang's. Next to him was a friend with an Ebisu who absolutely DOES NOT BOT. The botter remarked several times that watching the Ebisu fisher, it was almost like watching someone using several bot hacks with a Lu Shang's - the stamina depletion was impressive.

[VoiceMemo]

To clarify use this setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring(used to skillup because could not necessary to catch guru)
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.

What I meant was it is possible to catch Guru's without Ebisu or botting using the setup I listed above.

And by all possible enhansements, you also have moglification fishing? Stall + Signboard + Fishing hole map + net and lure?

Yes ONLY when you obtain ebisu, you could then catch guru's with noddy/puffin. Ebisu is that much more powerful in reeling in fish compared to lushang.

[Ithil]

Thank you for your message, but I was only interested in the setup with Ebisu. Without Ebisu I can manage them without problems (using Albatross of course). Finished with Liks, 0/200 atm with Gugrus.

And with all enhancements yes, I meant all guild points items, mega moglification, etc.

Regards.

To clarify use this setup:

LuShang
Albatross ring
Pelican ring(used to skillup because could not necessary to catch guru)
Meatball for Guru
Full fishing set, waders, torque, hands, smock, hq hands, nq legs and moglification fishing with powerful water energy.

I started at 92 fishing with this setup, did not obtain Guru till I was 102 fishing.

What I meant was it is possible to catch Guru's without Ebisu or botting using the setup I listed above.

And by all possible enhansements, you also have moglification fishing? Stall + Signboard + Fishing hole map + net and lure?

Yes ONLY when you obtain ebisu, you could then catch guru's with noddy/puffin. Ebisu is that much more powerful in reeling in fish compared to lushang.