Summoner Summoning A+ yes please shoot the person that came up with the idea A-

[Manux]

I was looking at the Skills for Summoner and I noticed something very off why do we Summoners only have a A- Rank in Summoning and that's our Main skill, White Mage has A+ in Healing and Black Mage has A+ in Element Magic and Red Mage has A+ in enfeebling magic and that's their main casting jobs. the sub casting for Whm, Blm and Rdm are different class for me like enfeebling magic,enhancing,healing,divine,dark yet we Summoner got screwed with our A- Rank in our {Main}
Can you please explain this to us because its a joke.

White Mage: Healing at lvl 99 >> 424
Black Mage: Elemental Magic at lvl 99 >> 424
Red Mage: Enfeebling Magic at lvl 99 >> 424
Blue mage: Blue Magic at lvl >> 424
Dark Knight: Dark Magic at lvl 99 >> 417
Ninja: Ninjutsu at lvl 99 >> 417

I stand by this talk to him the person that came up with the idea A- for Summoning magic Oo.
can anyone catch something out here O.o

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[Urthdigger]

A lot of jobs don't have an A+ in their "main" skill, and not every skill has a job with an A+ in it. For example, the Geomancy, Handbell, Singing, Wind Instrument, and String Instrument skills are all C.

[Alhanelem]

A lot of jobs don't have an A+ in their "main" skill, and not every skill has a job with an A+ in it. For example, the Geomancy, Handbell, Singing, Wind Instrument, and String Instrument skills are all C.

There is a reason though. songs effect are based on the sum of singing and instrument skill, and geomancy is based on the sum of geomancy and handbell skill, resulting in an effective skill level much higher than even A+ .

Summoning magic skill is never compared against an enemy's resists, so it's not needed for that purpose, whereas a skill like elemental magic, the rating is more important because it direclty determines how likely your spells are to work.

While I don't understand why summoning magic being A- would trigger such a rage-induced post, any increase certainly would be welcomed, since it doesn't really harm any balance- though I hope the OP understands that doing this would NOT increase the duration of blood pacts, which are based on the amount of bonus skill points you have, not on total summoning magic. Perfect defense is the only exception as the duration is based on total summon skill.

[Manux]

Hows that fair for us smn they are all ready looking into the 2 new jobs?

Lets just look at this example guys again:

White Mage: Healing at lvl 99 >> 424
Black Mage: Elemental Magic at lvl 99 >> 424
Red Mage: Enfeebling Magic at lvl 99 >> 424
Blue mage: Blue Magic at lvl >> 424
Dark Knight: Dark Magic at lvl 99 >> 417
Ninja: Ninjutsu at lvl 99 >> 417
I don't get it why the summoner get 417 at lvl 99 did they put us with DD or something O.o the table above shows everything.

[Byrth]

They designed the BPs to have a certain potency at capped skill, so asking for an A+ cap just means that you would have had to skill up further for the same effect.

[Alhanelem]

They designed the BPs to have a certain potency at capped skill, so asking for an A+ cap just means that you would have had to skill up further for the same effect.

Basically, this. While I won't care if they increase it or not, it's rather pointless to do so. As a correction to my original post, the only thing this would do is possibly add 1 second to your perfect defense.

[Caketime]

A lot of jobs don't have an A+ in their "main" skill, and not every skill has a job with an A+ in it. For example, the Geomancy, Handbell, Singing, Wind Instrument, and String Instrument skills are all C.

While true, it still doesn't make any sense that the only job with Summoning skill natively has an A-. It's almost as odd as Fencer being given to BST and not RDM, or Shield Defense Bonus for WHM.

[Manux]

Basically, this. While I won't care if they increase it or not, it's rather pointless to do so. As a correction to my original post, the only thing this would do is possibly add 1 second to your perfect defense.

no one care about that i want it same just like the all of the mages whm,blm,rdm,blue.
We are talking about what the job role is as a Summoner what they do since we all know as white mage we just heal...

[Demon6324236]

I would say in the matters of SMN and NIN, it makes little sense, these are the only stats which the spells play off of unlike GEO and BRD skills, while at the same time no other job in the game will/should ever have access to these skills natively, meaning raising them to A+ seems like it would be a good idea to me.

[Alhanelem]

no one care about that i want it same just like the all of the mages whm,blm,rdm,blue.

It's irrelevant.

It's not like WHM BLM RDM and BLU are "better than" SMN because they have a couple more points in their best skill. Its an irrelevant comparison as the skills don't even do the same thing. The only argument I see here is "I want SMN skill to be the same as WHM has in healing because... well, because!" or "It's not fair!" - The thing is, it isn't unfair.

Like I said, I'm not opposed- all I'm saying is it doesn't do anything. They're just numbers- Whether they're the same or different, it doesn't mean anything. They could give us A+++super+++ skill, give us 10000 skill, all it would do is make it take (a lot) longer to skill up.

They could set summoning magic skill to 0 and it would have no effect (to anything other than PD) other than causing your bonus skill points to kick in right away.