Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[Malphius]

Because Abyssea is stupid easy and irrelevant content in the grand scheme of things when almost every job in there is able to do things far beyond its wildest dreams...

And SMN isn't? My point though was that WoE is also out dated. I do agree that WoE is more difficult. However when looking at the ability SMN have there it's not as big of a deal as the goal is to defeat the boss and you are rewarded with treasure. The reward from reives is points based upon creating large numbers in terms of cure or damage done. The ability in this event excludes an entire class from obtaining those rewards.

Exactly, inside of this event its losing an ability from its current status, that sounds like a nerf to me!

Nah just putting it on the same playing field as all the other mages.

Exactly, inside of this event its losing an ability from its current status, that sounds like a nerf to me!

SMN is more like SCH than a DD. I used to main SCH all the time till they changed embrava. But before hand I was perfectly happy with being used for Embrava and then spot curing or baby sitting the PLD. Like me the SMN's use PD and then spot cure and/or use offensive BP's on the NM's. Same thing in Odin. Why is this so different? What roll is it that the SMN community wants to fill?

Oh no, another event where SMN can actually perform as a job rather than an Invincibility Whore, what will the world do!?

Again plese tell me what event SMN is not welcome in. I can't think of one. I'm sorry you're not happy with one of the most powerful and most needed 2hrs in the game. That has nothing to do with this topic though which is that an entire job class is going to be pushed out of Reives and the only thing that SMN's can say is that they deserve to because they don't like playing SMN.

[RAIST]

Nah just putting it on the same playing field as all the other mages.

Actually, no. It lowers their potential in a major way. The other mages have considerably more options for increasing rewards in comparison. That seems to be a very important point that keeps getting missed.

[Demon6324236]

That has nothing to do with this topic though which is that an entire job class is going to be pushed out of Reives and the only thing that SMN's can say is that they deserve to because they don't like playing SMN.

You cant come to an event because another job is taking your place? Level another job... It may not be SMN but guess what, I main RDM, I play it a ton when I can, but I get excluded from almost every event in the game. Your whining about not getting to get a lot of points in a single event insults me honestly, because my situation is much worse than yours is, yet you have to argue with everyone who disagrees for hours about how SMN is broken.

Simple truth incoming! You can deal without going in Reives and getting a ton of points, if you go on WHM and know it gets low points then you instantly chose to subject yourself to that sub-par point gain. The easiest solution to that problem is leveling another job, or dealing with the low points you chose anyways, end of story.

[RAIST]

You cant come to an event because another job is taking your place? Level another job... It may not be SMN but guess what, I main RDM, I play it a ton when I can, but I get excluded from almost every event in the game. Your whining about not getting to get a lot of points in a single event insults me honestly, because my situation is much worse than yours is, yet you have to argue with everyone who disagrees for hours about how SMN is broken.

Simple truth incoming! You can deal without going in Reives and getting a ton of points, if you go on WHM and know it gets low points then you instantly chose to subject yourself to that sub-par point gain. The easiest solution to that problem is leveling another job, or dealing with the low points you chose anyways, end of story.

or <gasp> try something different...whatever that may be.

Very few things are "written in stone" with this game. You can usually find different ways to approach a problem within the game's framework, just sometimes takes a little more effort or planning is all.

[Metalgod]

Anyone try gearing whm/sam for Cataclysm spammage???

I actually see no reason to nerf smn in colonization reives. They benefit the group by powercuring and aoe buffing the masses. I went and did SMN/WHM and WAR/SAM tonite and saw no real difference in my SMN getting bayld and my other character on war spamming fell cleave and fury.

[Caketime]

Anyone try gearing whm/sam for Cataclysm spammage???

Yes. It's awesome.

[Malphius]

You cant come to an event because another job is taking your place? Level another job... It may not be SMN but guess what, I main RDM, I play it a ton when I can, but I get excluded from almost every event in the game. Your whining about not getting to get a lot of points in a single event insults me honestly, because my situation is much worse than yours is, yet you have to argue with everyone who disagrees for hours about how SMN is broken.

Simple truth incoming! You can deal without going in Reives and getting a ton of points, if you go on WHM and know it gets low points then you instantly chose to subject yourself to that sub-par point gain. The easiest solution to that problem is leveling another job, or dealing with the low points you chose anyways, end of story.

How is your situation worse than mine? You chose to level jobs you don't enjoy playing or only enjoy playing as long as you can choose the roll they should play. I'm also sorry you can't always go on the job you want to. Life is hard. Perfect reasoning for why SMN deserves special treatment in this event.

Thank you for imparting me with the "Simple truth". Once again for the 100th time I never brought WHM into this. Other people did to which I then said I said I come on a multitude of jobs some of them being mage jobs such as SCH and WHM. It depends on what I see before I go out there. After I get there however I can't control what else comes after that.

Simple Truth(TM), you are self centered and greedy just like a few of the other people that have chosen to say they deserve special treatment (at the expense of others) and that everyone else that doesn't like it can gtfo.

[RAIST]

Once again for the 100th time I never brought WHM into this. Other people did to which I then said I said I come on a multitude of jobs some of them being mage jobs such as SCH and WHM.

wait... what?

Original Post:

So I was doing Colonization Reives in Morimar Basalt Fields today. I was on WHM having a great time healing my party, buffing, doing my job, etc... when out of no where come 4 summoners and that's when things went down hill.

Because Summoner BP's seem to have no boundaries in terms of party/alliance they are going to completely rain down epic fails on the point gains of other support class jobs. I went from 500~700 Bayld per tally to 100 if lucky because all 4 Summoners were spamming BP's. That was with my trying to spam curaga to keep up.

BP's in Reives needs limited to party only or this is going to become PLD + SMN + DD only event.

Sure sounds like this thread basically exists because some summoners reduced your rewards from curing on WHM.

I'd imagine that's probably why it keeps coming back up. Or am I missing some hidden message? Do I need to make a Super Secret Spy Decoder?

[Malphius]

Because Summoner BP's seem to have no boundaries in terms of party/alliance they are going to completely rain down epic fails on the point gains of other support class jobs. I went from 500~700 Bayld per tally to 100 if lucky because all 4 Summoners were spamming BP's. That was with my trying to spam curaga to keep up.

You're right I did mention WHM first. What I should have more properly said was that I was never making this about WHM vs SMN. Also in the original post I said "other support class jobs" which has been what all this has been about. It was after this point that WHM kept being brought back into this. I would be making the same statements regardless of what mage job I was on.

And you were right the first time when you said "killed" my rewards.

[Demon6324236]

How is your situation worse than mine? You chose to level jobs you don't enjoy playing or only enjoy playing as long as you can choose the roll they should play. I'm also sorry you can't always go on the job you want to. Life is hard. Perfect reasoning for why SMN deserves special treatment in this event.

My thoughts exactly, we can not make every job useful in every event, WHM is useful in almost every single event, so is SCH, or really any healing job, those DDs aren't going to heal themselves after all! Jobs like SMN with healing powers restricted to parties are often worthless in healing though, they can only heal their party, they must take up a useful spot for DDs or buffers, where as WHM, SCH, RDM, even PLD, can cure across an Alliance or outside of a party. Sounds like a great reason to give SMN special treatment, I agree.

As for my situation being worse... In the event we are talking about WHM specifically, you are needed in almost every single event in the game, the few which you are not amazing in are low man events, where SCH excels, like Salvage, or Meeble Burrows. However, RDM, thats a job no one wants anywhere really, we can do it all, but were masters of none. BLU has us beat when you want a DD who can provide some lighter support, so no calling on us for that, SCH thrashes our abilities of Light and Dark magic alone, WHM and BLM obviously beat us in both of the individual magic fields, and DDs crush our melee damage because our gear is lousy. So how are our jobs different? How is my situation worse? WHMs, SCHs, they get called on for a few different events, people take them places often, RDM is left in a corner, so to see you complaining about a single event where you are not very effective and you feel as though these jobs are unfairly left out, it makes me realize just how you fail to understand my position. I would kill to be able to use my RDM in most event and be excluded from an event or two because of another job, instead, I am excluded from almost every event, and only brought when no one else will come and I am willing to. No offense, but don't you dare try to compare your situation of being left out of an event or two to my situation I have been stuck with for more than a couple years as RDM.

Simple Truth(TM), you are self centered and greedy just like a few of the other people that have chosen to say they deserve special treatment (at the expense of others) and that everyone else that doesn't like it can gtfo.

Yes, I am self centered and greedy, I use my SMN in here so much. Here, allow me to link you to my character on AH.com where you can see my Lv6 SMN...

See that? Not self centered, not benefiting from this at all in any way that you are not if you come as a melee job, in fact, I get punished, I get SMNs casting haste on me, an annoyance as a RDM where my Haste lasts well over 3 times as long as theirs. Tell me, how I am self centered again?