Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[Malphius]

It's not unfair if it balances out the playing field.

Again, without this mechanic, SMN is virtually useless in reives for gaining XP/Bayld.

And I never said the need to GTFO or lolmelee... and by the way, a decently geared WHM is not exactly lolmelee. Granted, 1k+ hexa's pale in comparison to a 3k+ Shoha.... but considering you're using a toothpick and not a big sword, it's pretty impressive for a mage to pull off.

The point is, you can change your approach. How did Einstein put it? Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. You can switch up your playstyle and melee if you want. You can move to the other side. You can stop following that herd and go to another reive that's not so heavy with SMN's.

It's also not too far fetched to apply your logic to other compa\onents....PLD has an unfair advantage in lair reives and needs to be changed....BRD, SMN, RDM, and BLM shouldn't be able to keep all the mobs slept off to the side of a palm tree while everyone beats on it because people can't get any good xp off the reive.

Do you see the slope yet?

SMN is not "broken" on this event. If anything, it's more a blessing because it allows others to participate in a way that might not otherwise happen. For instance, there might not be anyone fighting the mobs--they could ust sleep everything, beat down the obstruction, ending it with virtually no rewards given at all. BECAUSE SMN can sustain the fighters like it does, it is able to be extended so everyone gets rewarded more in the long run because they are able to achieve various gols that would not be possible without people actually fighting the monsters.

1. It's not leveling the playing field. It's destroying it in favor of SMN.

2. You do not know that and based off my on use of Cure 4 I find it a dubious claim. Regardless again that would be for SE to adjust as well with point gains.

3. You are saying exactly that with your argument you won't just admit it. In fact you just did just almost say it directly. Again telling a mage to melee. You've seen a 1k hexa on a root? Cause WHM sure won't last out in the open swinging at the PLD's mobs.

4. You're right for once. It's insane to try and get you to acknowledge any sort of reason. I'm going to stop.

5. PLD does not have an unfair advantage. If functions exactly the same in Reives as it does every where else in the game. BLM or BLU can sleep anything they want anywhere in the game. Again these are the standard operating mechanics of those jobs. I also would argue that trying to keep all these slept is suicide but to each his own. A well organized group could probably swing it.

6. I do see the slope. A very uphill battle to meet or even come close to performing a support job roll vs a SMN in Reives.

7. Only DD get rewarded with this broken game play mechanic. All the other mages get told to go away or melee.

You really do fail to see any of my points from anything other than someone that really likes to play SMN and anything for SMN is just.

[RAIST]

1. It's not leveling the playing field. It's destroying it in favor of SMN.

2. You do not know that and based off my on use of Cure 4 I find it a dubious claim. Regardless again that would be for SE to adjust as well with point gains.

3. You are saying exactly that with your argument you won't just admit it. In fact you just did just almost say it directly. Again telling a mage to melee. You've seen a 1k hexa on a root? Cause WHM sure won't last out in the open swinging at the PLD's mobs.

4. You're right for once. It's insane to try and get you to acknowledge any sort of reason. I'm going to stop.

5. PLD does not have an unfair advantage. If functions exactly the same in Reives as it does every where else in the game. BLM or BLU can sleep anything they want anywhere in the game. Again these are the standard operating mechanics of those jobs. I also would argue that trying to keep all these slept is suicide but to each his own. A well organized group could probably swing it.

6. I do see the slope. A very uphill battle to meet or even come close to performing a support job roll vs a SMN in Reives.

7. Only DD get rewarded with this broken game play mechanic. All the other mages get told to go away or melee.

You really do fail to see any of my points from anything other than someone that really likes to play SMN and anything for SMN is just.

wth do all the numbers point to? lol

no, was beating on the mobs--was consistantly popping off right around 1k, depending on the level of boost at the time. Never could get it to work out where I could busrt off a light or something though...was always gravitation or darkness... a little disappointing, but still fun.

And yes, I did take a beating (as noted in my previous posts). A few times when a mob got out of hand, I turned and reposed it (pesky wabbits). I evaded, I parried, I got hit, I regened, got the reive goal and had hp restored....got healed from the avatars....rinse/repeat. you know... all that good stuff that you see happen when you are on SAM. Off and on we had garuda, leviathin, and carby with us on one side, a garuda on the other--died twice when I went to that side with just one avatar, but still got 480 xp at the end even though I was idling in weakened state for most of it, which amused the hell out of me. After that, I opted to stay with the larger group for safety's sake.

getting the feeling you've never seiously meleed on WHM.... which is a real shame. WHINJA is fun. WHM/SAM is even more fun at times.

LOL.. I'm failing to see reason...when you've been provided concrete examples. ooooo... k.

Guess you weren't catching the reference to PLD. You have no problem with a PLD holding an entire reive, raking in all that credit while others are left with eeking out what they can by picking off the mobs until the nest gets beat down and it ends. But a SMN sustaining everyone so they have the same fair shot at rewards while pets beat down the roots/crag, that's a no-no and must go, even though this benefits everyone by meare virtue of extending the event longer.

The example of sleeping the mobs while the obstacle gets cleared is viable tactic... and used quite regularly I might add. I've even used my Shiva for it a few times to backup the BRD. But no... that's not robbing ANYONE of their opportunity for greater rewards....

And yes, I enjoy SMN... when I can use it well enough to be on it, but didn't come to it really until I found a niche for it with WotG fights. I have 10 jobs I can play, for the most part decently geared, but nothing amazing...always considered myself a casual player. Otherwise, I'm usually on something like NIN, SAM, MNK, WAR. Once in a while I get nostalgaic and blow things up on BLM (my first to 75 ages ago). For the most part these days, it's usually SMN or NIN, other jobs as needed for proc or to fill a role in a strategy--or if we are just wanting to mix things up for the helluvit.

Not sure why any of that matters, just commenting since you went there. My reason for posting in this thread is to preserve what I and apparently others see as being more or less fair for a job that is otherwise treated rather poorly by either SE or the players (in some cases both). It seams more like someone got upset because the ginger kid figured out a way to upstage them in an event they expected they had all rights to be top dog in, and regardless of how people try to show them ways to overcome the disparity, they just want to dig in their heals and cry foul over the whole deal. At least I've put some effort into substantiating my claim that there is something that someone can do to level the playing field....seems more like you are the one that is objecting to reasonable thought in that arena.

And I doubt that only DD are getting rewarded with athis "broken game mechanic". I wasn't just meleeing in my litle excursion. I was enfeebling, doing magic damage, dealing physical damage, taking damage, recovering damage. I could likely do the same on my BLM or my NIN, just haven't ventured out there with it yet to see how it behaves....simply because it's been so much easier with my heavier hitters (plus, I've been breaking off to farm items and skill guard on MNK here and there too, and changing all that gear out in moghouse is a pain).

So, in summation... no, I don't simply like to play SMN and see anything for SMN as being just. What I do see as being just is a mechanic that makes an otherwise difficult task easy to do. Their is no denying that having a prepared SMN in a reive makes it easier for everyone else there. It is also pretty obvious that without using this feature, SMN's rewards would be absurdly low, so low to the point that it could very well disuade their participation in the event (think back to BRD in campaign, ages ago I know, but it's kinda in line with it). Loosing the benefit of this mechanic could eventually make reives untenable if it causes participation to drop because of issues with survivablilty.

In light of these points, I would rather they not remove this feature but instead the players work to find an alternative way for everyone to participate. That is what I did. I had an idea founded entirely in my combined experiences with beseiged, campaign, and bastion for jobs that were not rewarde very well for their typical roles--and applied them to this event. And, was pleasently surprised when it actually worked out rather well.

There are alternatives to castrating a job in order to balance this event out.

There's a scary thought....where would the human race be if the solution to gender equality was castration.

Sorry, random thought that hit me after I typed that line....but the absurdity of the statement shows the absurdity of the proposal.

Job X can't progress well because job Y is better at doing something job X is supposed to be able to do, therefore take that away from job Y so that X can do it (although, less effectively in the scope of the event). It doesn't matter that that one thing is about the only thing that job Y can do to contribute significantly and that job A-X have lots of other ways they can contribute, or can otherwise rectify their issues. No, job Y, who basically has no other option but to repeatadly do this one thing over and over again to advance on par with everyone else, needs to learn it's role and shut it's mouth so that everyone else can be the winners, leaving job Y limping along at a reduced capacity.

Yeah.... job Y supporters are the unreasonable ones.