Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[RAIST]

Legion, Odin 2.0, Voidwatch, abyssea solos.

All of which are irrelevant to SoA expansion (aside from acquiring gear from those events, that may impact participation in SoA). In order to get the SoA gear and such....one needs to either participate in reives or do assignments/quests for SoA because of the new currency requirement.

So which is it... let every job find it's little niche to be relevant in Reives, or you relegate them to spamming things like Lost Articles or other fetch or delivery assignments over and over and over.

[Malphius]

All of which are irrelevant to SoA expansion (aside from acquiring gear from those events, that may impact participation in SoA). In order to get the SoA gear and such....one needs to either participate in reives or do assignments/quests for SoA because of the new currency requirement.

So which is it... let every job find it's little niche to be relevant in Reives, or you relegate them to spamming things like Lost Articles or other fetch or delivery assignments over and over and over.

So you're saying that since the expansion came out, SMN is no longer neglected and reigns supreme. Got it.

[RAIST]

So you're saying that since the expansion came out, SMN is no longer neglected and reigns supreme. Got it.

No, I'm saying that the issue at hand here is SoA content, not the others. If you take out SMN's usefulness, you may virtually remove it from an important portion of the content. See my last post. In some ways, this feature of SMN makes it WANTED in reives.

[Malphius]

No, I'm saying that the issue at hand here is SoA content, not the others. If you take out SMN's usefulness, you may virtually remove it from an important portion of the content. See my last post. In some ways, this feature of SMN makes it WANTED in reives.

I thought you meant that the other events were worthless now. PD is still very effective and needed in the other events. In the case that you meant they are no longer relevant because of the expansion then nor is the claim that SMN is the red headed step child. They are now raining supreme with the new expansion.

[RAIST]

I thought you meant that the other events were worthless now. PD is still very effective and needed in the other events. In the case that you meant they are no longer relevant because of the expansion then nor is the claim that SMN is the red headed step child. They are now raining supreme with the new expansion.

But, you're missing the point. If you take this feature away from SMN, you may wind up taking away it's usefulness in reives. Well, at least outside of a very limited scope of being in a party trying to take them on I guess. But, if one is putting forth that level of planning, they are more likely to take the job that is best suited for healing a party. Which jobs would they be considering for that role? SMN? I guess if nothing else is available, maybe.

So, what does the lonely SMN get for it's efforts in reives if it's not in a party?

What does nearly every other job get for it's efforts in reives if not in a party?

That's the problem. You are advocating taking away the one thing that makes them truly desirable in the new content. Having this feature doesn't lessen the desire for other jobs NEARLY as much as it would reduce the desire for SMN if it was taken away. Therfore, it actually does (in SE's twisted way) provide balance for the jobs.

Just think about it. If Garuda/Leviathin/Carbuncle are able to provide just enough healing support to sustain a reive long enough for the HP restore rewards to kick in and refill everyone, it frees up other jobs to focus on other aspects. Couple this with the fact that it is virtually the only way for a SMN to make sure they get decent rewards, while most other jobs aren't faced with that delimma (lets face it, most other jobs are considerably more durable than SMN if they are getting smacked by a mob--even BRD gets access to more durable gears at times)...than you are faced with a serious deficit if you take away the one thing that really gives the job a truly desired slot in the event.

The simple fact that a WHM can get somewhat decent rewards without focusing on healing should be evidence enough that it is NOT required that a healer gets all it's reward from curing, even if it is the one most suited for it. So, what is SMN REALLy taking away from the healer? At least there is another option for those other jobs to still perform relevant roles and get rewarded for their efforts...SMN actually pretty much IS the red-headed step-child here if you really think about it.

[Malphius]

But, you're missing the point. If you take this feature away from SMN, you may wind up taking away it's usefulness in reives. Well, at least outside of a very limited scope of being in a party trying to take them on I guess. But, if one is putting forth that level of planning, they are more likely to take the job that is best suited for healing a party. Which jobs would they be considering for that role? SMN? I guess if nothing else is available, maybe.

So, what does the lonely SMN get for it's efforts in reives if it's not in a party?

What does nearly every other job get for it's efforts in reives if not in a party?

That's the problem. You are advocating taking away the one thing that makes them truly desirable in the new content. Having this feature doesn't lessen the desire for other jobs NEARLY as much as it would reduce the desire for SMN if it was taken away. Therfore, it actually does (in SE's twisted way) provide balance for the jobs.

Just think about it. If Garuda/Leviathin/Carbuncle are able to provide just enough healing support to sustain a reive long enough for the HP restore rewards to kick in and refill everyone, it frees up other jobs to focus on other aspects. Couple this with the fact that it is virtually the only way for a SMN to make sure they get decent rewards, while most other jobs aren't faced with that delimma (lets face it, most other jobs are considerably more durable than SMN if they are getting smacked by a mob--even BRD gets access to more durable gears at times)...than you are faced with a serious deficit if you take away the one thing that really gives the job a truly desired slot in the event.

The simple fact that a WHM can get somewhat decent rewards without focusing on healing should be evidence enough that it is NOT required that a healer gets all it's reward from curing, even if it is the one most suited for it. So, what is SMN REALLy taking away from the healer? At least there is another option for those other jobs to still perform relevant roles and get rewarded for their efforts...SMN actually pretty much IS the red-headed step-child here if you really think about it.

Taking away this feature once again for the 1000th time will put SMN back on a level playing field and would make them operate exactly the way they do literally every where else in the game.

1. This is not a solo event and SMN is a buff job. Party up or fail like any other support job.

2. If you are a DD solo you get the reward of probably dying. Unless a SMN is around to spam BP's.

3. It doen't make them less useful it just makes them less all powerful. Having this feature lessens the desire not from other DD or PLD's but from the actual mages who would have come to cure but didn't because DD is better.

4. This paragraph proves my point. SMN's are able to provide healing support all on their one for the duration of a reive using an unfair advantage.

5. The simple fact that a support class job (again I never brought WHM into this, it's the same for rdm,sch,geo or bard) cannot get rewards by performing their function which by the way is why they're called "jobs" is evidence of how this is an unbalanced game mechanic.

[RAIST]

Taking away this feature once again for the 1000th time will put SMN back on a level playing field and would make them operate exactly the way they do literally every where else in the game.

1. This is not a solo event and SMN is a buff job. Party up or fail like any other support job.

2. If you are a DD solo you get the reward of probably dying. Unless a SMN is around to spam BP's.

3. It doen't make them less useful it just makes them less all powerful. Having this feature lessens the desire not from other DD or PLD's but from the actual mages who would have come to cure but didn't because DD is better.

4. This paragraph proves my point. SMN's are able to provide healing support all on their one for the duration of a reive using an unfair advantage.

5. The simple fact that a support class job (again I never brought WHM into this, it's the same for rdm,sch,geo or bard) cannot get rewards by performing their function which by the way is why they're called "jobs" is evidence of how this is an unbalanced game mechanic.

and YOU are missing the point that others have made earlier.. that SMN does NOT do well in reives without taking advantage of this feature.

So, yes, you are advocating nerfing it in a big way...quite possibly to the point of it not being worth it to go.

The jobs that are in most direct competition with it in the scope of healing can do much better on it's own than SMN when it can't fall back on the healing aspect for bigger rewards.