Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[Malphius]

The problem isn't that SMN is getting lots of XP by AOE healing people, it's that the WHM is just trying to get points ONLY from curing--and is only maximizing one aspect of it. On the other hand, the SMN is likely thwacking things with a stick, using offensive BP's, potentially taking some collateral damage from the AOE's and recovering that HP (at least, that's what I do). Compare that to the WHM who may very well be basically idle except for curing. It's very much like it was in campaign (I used to love to go /SAM and just smack the crap out of mobs for sh!ts and giggles...good times). You have to work for it if you want to get more out of it on mage jobs.

Out of curiosity, I changed my main to my gimped WHM and run out to fart around in Ceizak with a pair of toothpicks. Didn't cure a single person at all, didn't even cure myself (just kept Regen4 up). When all I did was beat stuff and take virtually no damage, was getting around 800 a pop. If I got more aggressive, made a few chains, enfeebled/nuked a little (well, as best a WHM can nuke in mediocre gear)...I got upwards of 1200 a pop, up to 2250 on one. Granted, I am geared more appropriatley for smacking skels in a KRT burn and this was with a pack of about 20 people ripping through them like locusts...but I only faired about twice as well when I was doing them on MNK in the same way, likely because I was simply able to dish out more damage, grab more hate, and take a much more thorough beating on that job.

So, in short....it sounds more like the problem isn't that SMN has found it's way to make up to 5k a pop on reives, it's more that the WHM's haven't found their way yet, but the potential may well be there if they put forth the effort.

It has never been about SMN's ability to make good points, it's in the side effect of eliminating the roll of other support class jobs. I don't care how many points SMN makes. It has nothing to do with jealousy and it has nothing to do with WHM. I never brought up WHM once. Someone saw that WHM is my main job and brought it into the topic. I go SCH,DRG,MNK,SAM,WHM to reives. It's irreverent.

Regardless of what job someone comes on to an event they should be able to serve their intended function. Once you have a couple SMN at a Reive they eliminate the function of all other support jobs. I doubt WHM, BRD or SCH go to Reives with the intention of meleeing. I for sure don't. I would go on any number of DD jobs I have.

[RAIST]

It has never been about SMN's ability to make good points, it's in the side effect of eliminating the roll of other support class jobs. I don't care how many points SMN makes. It has nothing to do with jealousy and it has nothing to do with WHM. I never brought up WHM once. Someone saw that WHM is my main job and brought it into the topic. I go SCH,DRG,MNK,SAM,WHM to reives. It's irreverent.

Regardless of what job someone comes on to an event they should be able to serve their intended function. Once you have a couple SMN at a Reive they eliminate the function of all other support jobs. I doubt WHM, BRD or SCH go to Reives with the intention of meleeing. I for sure don't. I would go on any number of DD jobs I have.

If you truly are going on a DD, then you may need to revamp your tactics a little? I had no issues getting xp on SAM and MNK, regardless of how many SMN were present...and I don't have an R/M/E for them....just magian weapons.

As for the mage jobs....if any of them dealt with the campaign issues way back when and bothered to develop a strategy to counter the issues then, they should already know what to do. One could assume they would revert to those tactics again...if they don't, that is their choice I guess. For those who have no such experience, or never built a new strategy...perhaps now may be a good time to work on that?

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In roughly 1 hour... from about 14:00 Windsday to 20:00 iceday, got a full merit (well, actually 9045, but who's counting?) running around with a big group smacking things on WHM almost entirely as a battle mage weilding 2 toothpicks...only cured other people like 3 times in battle, myself maybe a dozen times tops. All other cures were done before/after to top people up (hit 371 healing magic...really need to sit down one afternoon and cap that I guess). Those SMN's were REALLY cramping my style.....back to MNK again, see if I can skill Guard some more.

[Malphius]

If you truly are going on a DD, then you may need to revamp your tactics a little? I had no issues getting xp on SAM and MNK, regardless of how many SMN were present...and I don't have an R/M/E for them....just magian weapons.

As for the mage jobs....if any of them dealt with the campaign issues way back when and bothered to develop a strategy to counter the issues then, they should already know what to do. One could assume they would revert to those tactics again...if they don't, that is their choice I guess. For those who have no such experience, or never built a new strategy...perhaps now may be a good time to work on that?

I have no issues getting points or Bayld on DD jobs. The topic at hand is that the event is unbalanced in a number of ways and 1 job getting special exception to game mechanics for said event can lead to exclusion of intended function of similar jobs.

[RAIST]

I have no issues getting points or Bayld on DD jobs. The topic at hand is that the event is unbalanced in a number of ways and 1 job getting special exception to game mechanics for said event can lead to exclusion of intended function of similar jobs.

So which is it.... one job is taking the xp from everyone else (including yourself), or you are able to get good xp regardless if this other job is so broken that it is stealing the xp from everyone?

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Ever see a SAM or BLU in action in there?

Or a well geared PLD?

Methinks you may be a bit confuseded on what is going on out there.

[Malphius]

So which is it.... one job is taking the xp from everyone else (including yourself), or you are able to get good xp regardless if this other job is so broken that it is stealing the xp from everyone?

You seem to be contradicting yourself.

Ever see a SAM or BLU in action in there?

Or a well geared PLD?

Methinks you may be a bit confused on what is going on out there.

You are the one confused and you're taking certain parts from certain conversations and mashing them together into one paraphrased sentence to misconstrue my points.

1. Yes SMN is taking Bayld from other support classes by making it literally impossible to perform their function when there are more than 1 or 2 SMN's.
2. Yes I can get good Bayld when I change my job class. Which shouldn't be necessary.
3. I stated that I often go as SAM.

Anything else?

[RAIST]

You are the one confused and you're taking certain parts from certain conversations and mashing them together into one paraphrased sentence to misconstrue my points.

1. Yes SMN is taking Bayld from other support classes by making it literally impossible to perform their function when there are more than 1 or 2 SMN's.
2. Yes I can get good Bayld when I change my job class. Which shouldn't be necessary.
3. I stated that I often go as SAM.

Anything else?

And I just actually went and spent an HOUR IN GAME showing that I did not have to change my job class and still got rewarded for my efforts on a WHITE MAGE without relying on healing while the SUMMONERS were supporting the group.

Now, what DID i change? My TACTICS.