Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[Icefall]

You aren't maximizing your potential for points. It doesn't seem right to come here demanding that things be changed for other jobs if your tallies aren't as good as you'd like when you aren't doing everything possible that you could. It's not hard to get a club or staff from a previous event with fair (doesn't have to be top) stats, haste yourself, and smack the roots or nest while you cure/buff people and debuff mobs. You can use Spirit Taker to get back MP too if using staff. If all you've been doing is casting cures, you were missing out on quite a bit of points before that random SMN party came through.

And yes, telling a mage to melee is a bit obnoxious, I know. I find it annoying to do too as a fellow support/back line class (WHM, BRD, SMN), but we did it in Campaign, so its not that much different now. You just have to find a balance of doing your job while auto attacking roots/nests/mobs. You really do get better points than just performing one or the other.

This whole initial situation sounds like it was a one time thing, so I don't think its something to get this worked up about.

[Malphius]

You aren't maximizing your potential for points. It doesn't seem right to come here demanding that things be changed for other jobs if your tallies aren't as good as you'd like when you aren't doing everything possible that you could. It's not hard to get a club or staff from a previous event with fair (doesn't have to be top) stats, haste yourself, and smack the roots or nest while you cure/buff people and debuff mobs. You can use Spirit Taker to get back MP too if using staff. If all you've been doing is casting cures, you were missing out on quite a bit of points before that random SMN party came through.

And yes, telling a mage to melee is a bit obnoxious, I know. I find it annoying to do too as a fellow support/back line class (WHM, BRD, SMN), but we did it in Campaign, so its not that much different now. You just have to find a balance of doing your job while auto attacking roots/nests/mobs. You really do get better points than just performing one or the other.

This whole initial situation sounds like it was a one time thing, so I don't think its something to get this worked up about.

It could have been a one time thing, however I see it emerging as a trend very quickly. The player base is always quick to jump on the most advantageous strategies and rightfully so.

For the record I have tried meleeing the roots on WHM and it was pretty terrible. I have decent melee clubs and decent melee gear for WHM. I have tried Nuking the roots on SCH as well but this also brings in low points which is why you don't see any BLM in reives.

I would also be happy to spot cure anyone while meleeing if a barage of BP's weren't healing the entire area off one ability.

If we can't change things for SMN can we change them for everyone else? Can I curaga everyone in my area with out restriction to party?

[Raksha]

If we can't change things for SMN can we change them for everyone else? Can I curaga everyone in my area with out restriction to party?

this is what i was referring to.

[RAIST]

this is what i was referring to.

I know...but that was like 2 days ago (22nd post). Besides, that statement probably only came out because it's what others were talking about--curing outside the party, doing all you can to maximize your potential by doing other things...basically shifting the onus to balance one's scores to the player that suddenly found them self in competition for getting credits for support activities.

Despite all the alternatives out there (many presented in the thread), Malphius is still digging the heels in and calling for SMN to be nerfed in the events (129th post, late yesterday afternoon).

It's not "either put everyone else on par with SMN somehow, or restrict SMN", it seems to be all about putting the brakes on just one job in the event. That is why people refer to it as nerfing SMN for the event, because in effect that is what it will do because otherwise SMN gets pretty meh rewards without the AOE wards feature.

[Malphius]

I know...but that was like 2 days ago (22nd post). Besides, that statement probably only came out because it's what others were talking about--curing outside the party, doing all you can to maximize your potential by doing other things...basically shifting the onus to balance one's scores to the player that suddenly found them self in competition for getting credits for support activities.

Despite all the alternatives out there (many presented in the thread), Malphius is still digging the heels in and calling for SMN to be nerfed in the events (129th post, late yesterday afternoon).

It's not "either put everyone else on par with SMN somehow, or restrict SMN", it seems to be all about putting the brakes on just one job in the event. That is why people refer to it as nerfing SMN for the event, because in effect that is what it will do because otherwise SMN gets pretty meh rewards without the AOE wards feature.

Oh you're speaking for me now?

Actually I proposed Curaga because it would kill SMN's ability to make any Bayrd the way they've been doing and it would "be for the good of everyone". This of course would make the event unbalanced towards WHM so I don't want that either.

This was a subject you completely ignored. I won't speak to why when you're speaking for both of us though.

That is why people refer to it as nerfing SMN for the event, because in effect that is what it will do because otherwise SMN gets pretty meh rewards without the AOE wards feature.

Looks like your true colors are starting to show however. Not about helping others, it's about protecting your Bayld advantage.

[Malphius]

This is the basic message I am hearing from the opposition crowd.

"Yes SMN has an unfair advantage in this 1 event but SMN is a hard job to play. Other people should have to work harder or lose points because I am unwilling to give up this advantage and I want to play solo".

It's a pretty self centered perspective.

[Babekeke]

When I do Reives on my pink DNC, big boys come along and kill the mob that I've been fighting for 5 mins and got down to 90%HP. Thus meaning I don't get as many points. Can we make it so that noone else can touch my mob please so I can get more points?

[Malphius]

When I do Reives on my pink DNC, big boys come along and kill the mob that I've been fighting for 5 mins and got down to 90%HP. Thus meaning I don't get as many points. Can we make it so that noone else can touch my mob please so I can get more points?

An inaccurate analogy. If your pink DNC isn't well geared that's a direct result as to the effort you have put into it's gear. No matter how much I put into any other support class it will never have the ability to hit all members outside of a party with AoE's. This is a unique advantage given to one job in one event.

Your pink DNC is also a support job / light DD hybrid, not a pure DD so you should be using your TP to heal and debuff. I would also suggest that anyone using curor bought abyssea gear move onto Empy gear or VW gear instead of trying to skip to the end. Especially if it takes you 5 minutes to shave off 10% of an enemies HP.

[Elexia]

An inaccurate analogy.

Very accurate. You're bitching SMNs are taking "your points".

[Malphius]

Well first it's actually not even close but okay moving on. Secondly i'm not "bitching". I'm making the observation that SMN is eliminating the potential for other support job classes to earn points based off an unbalanced advantage they have in one event. Which is a fact. Also i'll point out that they are not just "my points" they are everyone's. SMN is taking support class points for themselves though yes, which again is because of this ability.

In the event they added NPC's and opened up the physical layout this would very much reduce SMN's impact in the event and would level the playing field a bit. Everyone else would still be unable to AoE members outside their party so i'm not sure what the result would be. Not sure there is much sense in theorizing but it could be an acceptable improvement but not one I see happening just based off of the layout of the zones.