Summoner in Colonization Reives = Broken

[RAIST]

My answer was pretty clear. Not sure how that is being uncooperative. Sorry if you are having trouble with a detailed reply. Or perhaps the problem is you don't like the answer because it poses a challenge to your whole premise you are using to justify the change.

Why won't you answer my question? After all, I asked it first. I went ahead and addressed your question. Why won't you tell us what you chose to do when faced with competition for curing? Is it because you didn't try anything different in game? Did you feel your only option was to come here and request that SMN be nerfed?

Things that make you go "hmmm....."

[Malphius]

Because I need a definitive answer. Too much room between the lines for you to wiggle between as soon as the conversation starts going where you don't like it.

Do you support a suggestion you made yourself. Yes or No?

[RAIST]

Already answered it.

I'm not against it, but I don't think it's necessary as there is already something players can do to counter it.

There.. took off some of the extra text in the post. Think that's pretty definitive.

Still waiting for an answer to my question. Or should we just assume that in fact you didn't try anything different and are simply sticking to reives being broken becauseof SMN?

IF that's wrong, I apologize in advance... but that's what happens when you don't clarify things. People start interpreting things as they see them, and sometimes will get it wrong.

So...what did you do to try to remedy your situation?

[Malphius]

You replied but you didn't answer me. Your reply is completely subjective and can mean anything you want it to at any given time. I'm forced to come to my own conclusions. We will proceed when I have a yes or no answer which is a definitive answer. Until then you may have the last word as I know you will need it to feel satisfied.

[RAIST]

good grief... you already answered the question yourself when you asked it.

And my answer is definitive. What is so hard to understand about the words "I'm not against it"? are you confused because it has the word "against" in it, making you think that I am in fact against it? Find it hard to believe that any one above grade school reading level could misconstrue my statement.

Guess you're just being adversarial because you've been caught in a proverbial catch 22 and can't answer my question without making yourself look bad? ...who knows. But I've answered your question that had already been addressed before you even posed the question (which effectively answered it the way you phrased it). You just refuse to accept it. Is it becasuse my position doesn't fall in line with a narrative you want to pursue? At least I am willing to participate in the dialogue, regardless of where it goes.

[Edit:]
As a side note... getting hard to be inspired to do reives in general. At least not during primetime. Way too many people. Reives are just going down too quick...sitting idle through most of some of them on NIN just trying draw my weapons and fight a mob for more than 5 seconds. May be the bigger issue SE needs to address here....earnings just fall apart with large groups doing them simply because they don't last.

[Alhanelem]

my word... Have these people been taking Al lessons? lol... you guys sure know how to make a lengthy back-and-forth.

Looking at that makes me feel like I can better identify when its time to quit whilst behind.

[Xerius]

SMN has just as many options as WHM, get some DA pieces and wear a couple of accuracy rings, maybe chew on some sushi and beat roots while you spam buffs and cures. Stop acting like you have no options other than spamming Wards.

Double attack and accuracy on a SMN? WTF did I just read? Are we just throwing meat-head DD logic onto everything now. Not to mention the severe lack of refresh and perp cost - means you'd run out of MP in probably under a minute. You can proc DA 100% of the time and it won't help one dang bit if you spend half the fight eating dirt.

[Babekeke]

When I do Reives on my pink DNC, big boys come along and kill the mob that I've been fighting for 5 mins and got down to 90%HP. Thus meaning I don't get as many points. Can we make it so that noone else can touch my mob please so I can get more points?

I can't believe that this thread is still going on. If this idiot whm was any good at his job, his party would be quite happy to use /blockaid to allow them to be exclusively cured by him.

Double attack and accuracy on a SMN? WTF did I just read? Are we just throwing meat-head DD logic onto everything now. Not to mention the severe lack of refresh and perp cost - means you'd run out of MP in probably under a minute. You can proc DA 100% of the time and it won't help one dang bit if you spend half the fight eating dirt.

Yes, melee SMN. It's not a new concept, you get 100%TP, then you use this to recover some MP. And nowadays, if you're lucky enough to have a Hvergelmir, you can use this instead for a lot of MP recovery. Without Hvergelmir, you may need to occasionally use Elemental Siphon, refresh or sublimation.

With capped gear haste, haste spell and Hvergelmir, you can WS every 39 seconds, assuming you never miss, and DA never procs. More than enough to keep 2 wards every 45 seconds + perp cost.

[Manux]

all I'm saying leave summoners alone and if smn is not your main please die else where lol

[Caketime]

Double attack and accuracy on a SMN? WTF did I just read? Are we just throwing meat-head DD logic onto everything now. Not to mention the severe lack of refresh and perp cost - means you'd run out of MP in probably under a minute. You can proc DA 100% of the time and it won't help one dang bit if you spend half the fight eating dirt.

I know, I'm a terrible person for suggesting you climb out of your box for a moment.