Level 99 Relic, Mythic, Empyrean, and WoE Weapons

[RushLynx]

If you wanna keep playing the devil's advocate, go ahead. I'll stop replying to the same questions over and over when it has been answered already in so many pages. Have fun.

Yes, god forbid we have a reasonable conversation about this... rather than constantly making unwarranted assertions, never backing them up and then attacking anyone who tries to find reason in them... Everyone knows, that's the best way reach mutual understandings about issues, just yell the loudest and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you.

[Zohno]

Yes, god forbid we have a reasonable conversation about this... rather than constantly making unwarranted assertions, never backing them up and then attacking anyone who tries to find reason in them... Everyone knows, that's the best way reach mutual understandings about issues, just yell the loudest and dismiss anyone who disagrees with you.

26th march
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post410836
"We are not planning to enhance relic, mythic, or empyrean weapons via Trial of the Magians or through other methods.
However, in regards to these weapons that you have enhanced up to level 99, we are formulating plans so that they do not go to waste."

everyone was fine since he said they wouldn't go to waste and none expected a sudden change (29th april) in dmg power

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26th april
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post424630
"What I wished to convey was that we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons"

he changes idea and then matsui talks about a new system, probably in light of the 29th update

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05th may
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post427149
"We are planning to unlock the special weapon skills that are granted from RMEC"

Delve falls over Vana'diel, the status quo is destroyed, the shitstorm era begins

enough?

[RushLynx]

26th march
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post410836
"We are not planning to enhance relic, mythic, or empyrean weapons via Trial of the Magians or through other methods.
However, in regards to these weapons that you have enhanced up to level 99, we are formulating plans so that they do not go to waste."

everyone was fine since he said they wouldn't go to waste and none expected a sudden change (29th april) in dmg power

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26th april
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post424630
"What I wished to convey was that we will be implementing a system to build on R/M/E weapons"

he changes idea and then matsui talks about a new system, probably in light of the 29th update

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05th may
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post427149
"We are planning to unlock the special weapon skills that are granted from RMEC"

Delve falls over Vana'diel, the status quo is destroyed, the shitstorm era begins

enough?

Yes, thank you...

I still disagree with the notion that years ago people were promised that their weapon would forever be on top... but clearly he did say in the past few months he was meaning to keep them around, and I can see how people would believe he doesn't understand what makes them significant to begin with.

So yes, I understand much of the frustration in this thread... But a lot of the rationale in here that's been cited as reasoning for, essentially, being more deserving than others on this issue isn't helping the case. The vast majority of this player base has invested a ton of time into some aspect of our characters, and many of us have felt at some point in time that our investment has been devalued... but your investment isn't better than someone else's just because you say so. (That's where I was coming from a few pages back.)

Was something promised to you? Yes, and they should totally keep their promise... but in my opinion they never meant that you wouldn't have to work for the upgrade, and they never said it would be the end-all-be-all best, as some have been suggesting. They also never gave you a timeline... they just said they were working on it, so this sudden uproar that the update to the weapons hasn't come to fruition, or even been worked out apparently, by the time your item was replaced is completely unnecessary and seems kind of misguided from some angles.

Much of these arguments have seemed to come from the understanding that nothing was planned to begin with, and they were outraged by that notion... which was apparently false, they've been thinking about this for a while and just haven't found a proper solution yet.

My opinion remains, though, that had they not said something to begin with they'd have no obligation at all to upgrade them or keep them around... because again, these investments aren't automatically better than others.

[Raksha]

Was something promised to you? Yes, and they should totally keep their promise... but in my opinion they never meant that you wouldn't have to work for the upgrade

While i'm sure you will find some people who've said they want SE to just instantly make their weapons 100D stronger, Most of the REM99 people I know (including myself) are actually looking forward to doing the new content in order to upgrade their REM99s

[Karah]

The biggest problem I'm having with this update, which only applies to maybe 3% of the entire community, is that I have -EVERY- empyrean weapon.

Now, while they aren't all the best, or even close to the best (in some cases) I play all 20 jobs (lolgeo and lolrun i don't even count them) you have the slightest idea how much time was spent building that many weapons?

You know how long and how much delve would be required to make the new weapon for all 20 jobs? A !@#$%^&*()load of time. Entirely too much time.

Now, you could say, "well build one weapon and play one job" that's not how FFXI works, and that's specifically why I play it. Now, there WILL BE options that are better than these new delve weapons, but in the meantime.... if you lack a delve weapon, you're seriously underpowered for any content that gets added...

So to me, this is a HUGE setback, there is literally 0% chance of me making or buying 20 AH/Delve weapons, literally ZERO.

So, I'm supposed to quit playing 18~ jobs and make 1 maybe 2 weapons at most before I blow my brains out from absolute boredom grinding ANOTHER dynamis style kill everything that moves, OH HELL TO THE NO.

[crutan]

What's interesting is Rush's main argument for why this is a good thing is because of the 'x Weapon Onry' mindset some players have, but if anything that sort of mindset is strengthened by this. Not weakened. It only shifts from 'RME Onry' to 'Delve Weapon/Geared Onry'.

And with this update and the impending elitism, are you going to whine that you can't get into a group for Delve because you don't have a Delve-geared SAM or WAR now? lol. You're going to need a Delve-geared job before you can do Delve. Wonderful, isn't it? At least you didn't have to do NNI to get a RME for the 'RME Onry' NNI shouts. This clearly isn't an adjustment for new players, nor is it one for old players, nor is it one for the developers(Fetch quests[ie Magian Trials] are a hell of a lot easier to maintain than events[ie Delve]), so who the f is this all for?

And as Raksha said, none of us are expecting +100DMG to just be thrown to us. We're willing to quest or Magian Trial or whatever for them. Just the fact that we have them kind of proves that we're willing to work for them. Most/some of us are okay with them not being 'on top', we just want them to be relevant. Is that too much to ask for? Considering RME owners, in general, have dedicated the most time and therefore the most money to SE and FFXI, you'd think they'd give a damn about their loyal customers. You know, Business 101...

I would think more highly of Matsui and the dev team, if they came out and said 'It's time to move on.' instead of spitting in our face and acting like they're doing a great thing for us. I'd still be quite upset that I wasted over a year of my life and over 175 million gil(including Marrow costs, if/when I get to that) for Final Heaven but I wouldn't have the extremely low opinion of them, to put it nicely, that I have now.

[Mirage]

The biggest problem I'm having with this update, which only applies to maybe 3% of the entire community, is that I have -EVERY- empyrean weapon.

Now, while they aren't all the best, or even close to the best (in some cases) I play all 20 jobs (lolgeo and lolrun i don't even count them) you have the slightest idea how much time was spent building that many weapons?

You know how long and how much delve would be required to make the new weapon for all 20 jobs? A !@#$%^&*()load of time. Entirely too much time.

Now, you could say, "well build one weapon and play one job" that's not how FFXI works, and that's specifically why I play it. Now, there WILL BE options that are better than these new delve weapons, but in the meantime.... if you lack a delve weapon, you're seriously underpowered for any content that gets added...

So to me, this is a HUGE setback, there is literally 0% chance of me making or buying 20 AH/Delve weapons, literally ZERO.

So, I'm supposed to quit playing 18~ jobs and make 1 maybe 2 weapons at most before I blow my brains out from absolute boredom grinding ANOTHER dynamis style kill everything that moves, OH HELL TO THE NO.

How about building 5 weapons and play 5 jobs? It's not all or nothing, you know. Also, with the elitism that is no doubt going to take place, all your empy weapons are gonna put you first, or near first in line for alliance invites. Also, if you had time to get all those empys, I don't think you're gonna have trouble finding time to make at least 10 delve weapons. After all, one weapon could be made in one day, assuming you had the day off (like a weekend) and got lucky on the KIs.

5 weekends for 10 weapons? Sounds a lot faster than whatever you spent on your empys!

Disclaimer:

Please note that this post does not mean I agree with all of SE's design choices.

[Karah]

How about building 5 weapons and play 5 jobs? It's not all or nothing, you know.

It really is about all or nothing.

Also, with the elitism that is no doubt going to take place, all your empy weapons are gonna put you first, or near first in line for alliance invites.

No, because the only shouts that happen are failure shouts anyway, being the best of the worst, still equates to loosing, and wasting time.

Also, if you had time to get all those empys, I don't think you're gonna have trouble finding time to make at least 10 delve weapons. After all, one weapon could be made in one day, assuming you had the day off (like a weekend) and got lucky on the KIs.

It's not about time able to spend, its about time SPENT, as in, can't get back. Yes I SPENT a lot of time on them, I don't want to SPEND more time doing things that NEGATE the time SPENT. Time CONTINUED would be acceptable.

5 weekends for 10 weapons? Sounds a lot faster than whatever you spent on your empys!

Disclaimer:

Please note that this post does not mean I agree with all of SE's design choices.

The time I spent on the empyreans was ME and ME alone, not 18 man content. To achieve a delve weapon in a day, you have to do mindless 18 man content, and pray that the other 17 are up to your standard, unlike everyone else I like to be THAT guy.
I'm hard pressed to find 17 people who are up to my standard for content, pick up group does -NOT- equal good. And at this point in the game I've got no interest in joining a linkshell to do 18 man content.

[nhackett]

I remember a lot of QQ about gear side-grades. It seems SE was listening to the community and gave us all something we wanted, but took it a bit too far. I'll be glad when we get another set of weapons able to compete with REMs, but right now REMs cannot compete with the new weapons. The new gear is pretty awesome so far, and I like where things are going. Alex is easier to get, we can solo a relic weapon, the game became difficult again, and new or returning players have a chance to jump right in and not spend years playing catch up. I have faith that SE will keep REMs relevant, because we have a voice in these forums. Keep up the good work devs; thanks for listening to the community. (and please let us keep REMs and maybe give us some new toys too)

[VoiceMemo]

Alex is easier to get, we can solo a relic weapon, the game became difficult again, and new or returning players have a chance to jump right in and not spend years playing catch up.

Alex is easier to get yes, but the issue lies within the 30,000 needed. Double the amount of items that relic(aprox 15,000, varies slightly between each relic) needs to complete. 30,000 of anything is alot. And since you can't turn them to an equivalent 100 piece, you either need 304 spaces to store them or turn them into the npc as you get them(assuming you are on the 2nd quest). Even with salvage V2, 30,000 takes some time.