Severe pet enmity issues post-update... Please fix today.

[Edyth]

Pets can no longer generate significant enmity.

A Shock Squall from a newly summoned Ramuh in the midst of a solo battle isn't enough to distract the enemy from that Dia II I cast a while ago. For comparison, in a 15-minute battle against an NM, a new Ramuh's Shock Squall used to be able to take hate off me immediately. Now, in a 2-minute battle, my SMN has generated so much hate with Dia II that Ramuh can't take it off me with just Shock Squall.

A Predator Claws can't hold the Pinetorum's attention: it remembers the deep emotional scars my Dia II inflicted after a while, and runs to me.

While Shock Squall + Chaotic Strike or Thunderstorm seems to be sufficient for a Pinetorum, I wonder what things will be like if I go try to fight something that takes a long time. It seems like I can't count on avatars to hold hate. I'm sure other pet jobs are having this issue too.

So far I've only fought the Alluring Orobon NM and a Pinetorum as SMN post-update, and while it wasn't difficult, it was more troublesome than it should've been. However, I have a feeling that if I go fight something like Teekesselchen or Hedjedjet solo, things may not be so pretty.

Perhaps my fear is overblown, but this is the job I use for soloing. With decked-out summoning skill and years of experience, my BST isn't worth touching. Even so, people who depend on that job may be in trouble judging by pet enmity issues with SMN.

I'd rather just have my enemy's main concern be my avatar, rather than me.

More specific example:
Ifrit assaults unclaimed Pinetorium.
Ifrit uses Meteor Strike for 1922 damage.
Ifrit uses Infernal Howl. (Accidentally didn't use before claiming)
Edyth casts Dia II for 0 damage.
Ifrit attacks Pinetorium for approximately 55 blunt damage + 45 fire damage per hit for about 40 seconds.
Pinetorium starts running to me 45 seconds into the battle.
Ifrit uses Meteor Strike again for 2208 damage, and only then does he secure hate for the duration of the battle.
WHAT DID I EVER DO TO YOU? You have a demon throwing meteors at you for quadruple-digit damage, and all I did was cast one spell for 0 damage and give some barely noticeable orders to the demon.

EDIT: Developer response:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...689#post421689

"Blood Pacts, Retreat, and Release do not generate enmity, and as such were not included in the list [of enmity adjustments for the next version update]."

EDIT: Developer 2nd response:
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...049#post422049

Camate comes bring hope and very good news, but the developers are timid because they feel there are situations where an avatar taking hate will dismantle our party battle strategies. If you don't feel that is the case, let them know.

EDIT AGAIN, MAY 2nd: NOT FIXED. A Velkk Marauder went ape**** on me for casting Dia II, Stoneskin, and Blink. I'll be transparent. I did recast Dia II when it wore. However, Ramuh's thousands of damage and several stuns could not distract him from my 4 white magic spells which supposedly had their enmity values halved. If that white magic enmity reduction is working, then avatar enmity appears to have gotten even WORSE.

[Luvbunny]

No, your fear is not overblown. The new enmity revision is totally whacked, and it goes the same to beastmaster, any mages and summoner as well. They did not bother to test all these adjustment, they were not even tested in the test server, which exist and pretty much somewhat abandoned now. I would suggest to just avoid SoA for now till 2-3 more updates. Unless your idea of fun is running around in the jungle finding the next root to whack lol, 4-5 location, one hour respawn. The game goes from fun to insanely craptacular in one update lol.

[Demon6324236]

No, your fear is not overblown. The new enmity revision is totally whacked, and it goes the same to beastmaster, any mages and summoner as well. They did not bother to test all these adjustment, they were not even tested in the test server, which exist and pretty much somewhat abandoned now.

On topic.

I would suggest to just avoid SoA for now till 2-3 more updates. Unless your idea of fun is running around in the jungle finding the next root to whack lol, 4-5 location, one hour respawn. The game goes from fun to insanely craptacular in one update lol.

Not on topic. These problems do not only effect SoA, so avoiding SoA will do nothing.

[Horadrim]

No, your fear is not overblown. The new enmity revision is totally whacked, and it goes the same to beastmaster, any mages and summoner as well. They did not bother to test all these adjustment, they were not even tested in the test server, which exist and pretty much somewhat abandoned now. I would suggest to just avoid SoA for now till 2-3 more updates. Unless your idea of fun is running around in the jungle finding the next root to whack lol, 4-5 location, one hour respawn. The game goes from fun to insanely craptacular in one update lol.

Or maybe you guys are just starting to experience PUP hate problems? >_> PUP and Automatons have had weird, wonky hate relationships for as long as I can remember.

I just posted in the "Enmity imbalance" thread, but I'll reiterate here since it's even more on topic. On BST in a Coalition Reive I can send my pet in to land a hit or two, then use Heel so I can get in on the action. The mob then proceeds to attack me based SOLELY on my use of Heel. Pet hate has always been a bit squirrely, but never like this.

Has been like this for PUP for a while. I could literally have my automaton whacking at a mob for 50% life with Strobe activated and still pull hate with just a few rounds of auto attack.

EDIT:

Not saying nothing changed, but I will put it out there that maybe they changed enmity for SMN and BST to work more like the shared fashion PUP enmity seems to work. (Which would mean BSTs would need to use Snarl more and SMNs... well... not sure...)

Either way, I wish they'd give more detail on exactly how they change things -- and to not make people's lives harder without a heads up.

[Camiie]

Not saying nothing changed, but I will put it out there that maybe they changed enmity for SMN and BST to work more like the shared fashion PUP enmity seems to work. (Which would mean BSTs would need to use Snarl more and SMNs... well... not sure...)

If they want me to use Snarl more then they'll have to lower the timer. And SMN has no enmity dump

Either way, I wish they'd give more detail on exactly how they change things -- and to not make people's lives harder without a heads up.

This is why they should test things. Especially if they have no idea how various aspects of the game are going to be impacted.

[Horadrim]

If they want me to use Snarl more then they'll have to lower the timer. And SMN has no enmity dump



This is why they should test things. Especially if they have no idea how various aspects of the game are going to be impacted.

I would agree with you.

[Camiie]

I just posted in the "Enmity imbalance" thread, but I'll reiterate here since it's even more on topic. On BST in a Coalition Reive I can send my pet in to land a hit or two, then use Heel so I can get in on the action. The mob then proceeds to attack me based SOLELY on my use of Heel. Pet hate has always been a bit squirrely, but never like this.

[Bahamut]

Ok I did some checking and it appears everything is working as intended, if you cannot keep up your pet from dying and die aftewards it seems you might have the wrong impression of being a mortal. Realisticly when your pet had died, it seen you as the only person resposible for the pet being there, and was smart enough to see you created another pet and decided it was time you were for lunch and not your pet. Balanced game once again, solo'rs are no longer able to solo those most powerful mobs all by themselfs.

We are very sorry to hear that this has happend to you, if you feel you would like the devs to look at this issue again I encourage you to use the square enix support page and submit a ticket. Was there any other questions you had? lol

[Luvbunny]

We are very sorry to hear that this has happend to you, if you feel you would like the devs to look at this issue again I encourage you to use the square enix support page and submit a ticket. Was there any other questions you had? lol

Meh, they probably won't bother - most just cancel their subscriptions, and all their dual triple box accounts. Suck to be SE. Assuming most will be back after a few months, but if this trend continue, they would end up loosing a lot more subscribers than gaining new ones.

[Sarick]

Meh, they probably won't bother - most just cancel their subscriptions, and all their dual triple box accounts. Suck to be SE. Assuming most will be back after a few months, but if this trend continue, they would end up loosing a lot more subscribers than gaining new ones.

Sad but true. I have a question about your opinion. Do you think the accountants/management team will even notice this in time or will they just let things slip until they're forced shut down all the servers?