Fell Cleaves...

[Zagen]

I already posted a link to a community rep response to this in this thread. I made a thread the last time this was announced here and had a community rep respond here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...g-cleave/page2

It's at the bottom of Page 2. Okipuit was pretty clear that it's ok to cleave as long as you're not selling the gil etc. You'll only be punished for joining a cleave IF the perople taking your gil are RMT. In other words, don't join cleaves that are run by suspected RMT.

Do you realize that post was made on 12-11-2012 04:45 PM? Considering the new notice (posted a day ago) includes shouts being a disruption (something that wasn't previously mentioned) what Okipuit posted may no longer be accurate. Even then there's this issue:

How are you supposed to know if they are RMT? Is there a service like "Show me the carfax." for cleave parties?

I get that going into detail risks having RMT learn how to circumvent the bans but really without explaining there's no way to know what is or isn't safe.

[Kikorimo]

Do you realize that post was made on 12-11-2012 04:45 PM? Considering the new notice (posted a day ago) includes shouts being a disruption (something that wasn't previously mentioned) what Okipuit posted may no longer be accurate. Even then there's this issue:



I get that going into detail risks having RMT learn how to circumvent the bans but really without explaining there's no way to know what is or isn't safe.

If you read the original post, they said something then about shouts being a disruption also. The current post is the same as the last time this came up.

[Zagen]

If you read the original post, they said something then about shouts being a disruption also. The current post is the same as the last time this came up.

I'm sorry if it wasn't clear, "something that wasn't previously mentioned" was supposed to be read as "something that wasn't previously mentioned by Okipuit". I understand that the original message mentions shouting, so if I shouted:

(Blue Mage) (Leech) (Party) (Do You Need It?) 500k/5hr (/tell)

And someone saw me shout that every 30 seconds or even once a minute for 10 minutes or however long it takes me to fill up. That person then thinks "Hey that Zagen guy he must be RMT cuz he's shouting for a leech party, I'm gonna report him!" so what happens to me?

I mean people who know me, recognize the name, or bother to look me up on FFXIAH or Linkshell Community whenever that's fixed could (what I feel is obvious) obviously tell I'm not a RMT leech party shouter but some random person who's never met me might think I am. That person's word shouldn't be enough to get me flagged as RMT and then banned. If it is I sure as hell would like to know.

Also not only am I at risk if that person looked me up and saw which zone I picked and then found me to find out which characters joined so they could report each and everyone of those players as participators in RMT activities, is that enough to get people banned?

This is important because that could then be extended to other mercenary services or even people who shout to sell KI pop sets, currency, fish, or anything. Do you get why this actually needs to be explicitly explained?