Fell Cleaves...

[Alhanelem]

I want clarification that no normal and legitimate player will be punished for participating in or performing a similar type of party. There is no reason a normal legitimate player should be punished for taking actions similar to a RMT of who is breaking the rules when the normal player is not breaking any rules. Our actions are only similar in game, meaning the fact we perform these types of parties, not out of the game, where RMTs plan to make money from performing these parties.

There are many normal players who use these types of parties to fund Relics, Mythics, Emps, and gear in general, all of which are good reasons to do it, and not ban-able offenses. While I know this has been said before, I recently spoke to a GM who informed me that it is a punishable offense to host one of these parties no matter if you are found to be a RMT or not, and can result in a ban of your character.

How do you "clarify" this? Just asking.

II agree with the post below yours.

The issue applies to those people shouting 24/7 selling spots in a cleave. No normal person is going to cleave 24/7. If you are, I'm going to go ahead and call you an RMT.

On shiva, there are two people i've seen /yelling for cleaves all day every day.

The probability of all or most of the people buying in being gil-buyers is extremely high, as is the probability of the person taking the gil being RMT.

[Elexia]

The probability of all or most of the people buying in being gil-buyers is extremely high, as is the probability of the person taking the gil being RMT.

Hm, considering you can walk out a good dynamis run with at least 1.2m barring 100 drops as well, I doubt anyone has a need to buy gil lol. Most people I see buy in FC are established players, rarely do I see actually new players in FCs.

[Luvbunny]

Hm, considering you can walk out a good dynamis run with at least 1.2m barring 100 drops as well, I doubt anyone has a need to buy gil lol. Most people I see buy in FC are established players, rarely do I see actually new players in FCs.

Yeah the same established players who understand how the FC party works. They rather go do something else like getting some sleep - and wake up to find their characters is already level 99. Why don't SE just start having NPC selling unique items (like those memoirs thing) that will give you 5-10 levels per use. And charge us with cruors or gills - make it rather expensive, say 100k-200k per level at lvl 75 and above. And limit for 5 levels a day or something.

This will reduce fell cleave activities. And RMT will resort to being "merc" Abyssea pop items lol, or figure out a way to take advantage SoA system. Honestly, Abyssea is the best system they come up, by making cruors so easy to get and most of the best gears rare/ex - this render gills somewhat moot unless you are making relic and mythic or crafting.

[Alhanelem]

Hm, considering you can walk out a good dynamis run with at least 1.2m barring 100 drops as well, I doubt anyone has a need to buy gil lol. Most people I see buy in FC are established players, rarely do I see actually new players in FCs.

It takes what? 1 week of doing dynamis two hours a day to earn enough gil to FC every job to 99 in a pay per hour type party? Why would you have to be a gil buyer to do that? I don't think I know anyone who can't afford that. I guess everyone is an RMT now?

just because you do a monotonous 2 hour activity to get gil doesn't mean other people want to or have the time to. There will be gil buyers no matter how easy you percieve it to be to make gil. For every person who doesn't mind doing the work, there's someone that doesn't want to do it.

I certainly don't want to farm dynamis every day personally. Besides that, the price is crashing with new content decreasing interest in relics + oversaturation of currency in the market. The price on Shiva has dropped by almost a third since the expansion came out.

Anyone who buys gil is L-A-Z-Y. They buy it because they don't want to spend the time making it- even if it's not "difficult" to do. Thus, these are the same people whom are likely top be the clientel of fell cleavers.

no matter how easy you think something is, there will always be people who don't want to do it. You'll probably ask "why play then?" Well, that's a good question. Ask a gil buyer sometime.

This guy ran cleaves and literally stayed in abyssea for weeks straight to fund relics etc. for himself and his friends. He duo-boxes on 2 xbox 360s and absolutely hates RMTs. I played with him for years in my sky / sea / limbus / einherjar and abyssea linkshells. He is absolutely not an RMT.

He'd be an exception to the rule. He also would have to rest/sleep sometime, so if he was in there all day every day for weeks straight, either he's super-human, has red bull for blood, or is using a bot program / script / keyboard macro.

Am I understanding correctly that the issue is the admittedly annoying advertisement via shout/yell?

For example, if I were to go to an Abyssea area and, instead of shouting, use a search comment to notify others that I'm willing to power level them-- would that be okay? It hardly seems like it would be as effective, but that way I would still be able to let players know what I'm doing so they would be able to find me. No RMT activity, just an honest Mithra earning a living power leveling.

Please clarify the dev's stance on this.

Here's your clarification: yell in jeuno once or twice, set a comment, then go cleave. Don't use a mule to auto yell in town at regular intervals and you're fine.

If you're that afraid of action being taken, then just don't do it. It's not like there's no other way to make gil than exploit gil buyers and lazy bums.

[Zagen]

Here's your clarification: yell in jeuno once or twice, set a comment, then go cleave. Don't use a mule to auto yell in town at regular intervals and you're fine.

Sorry I must have missed the announcement, congrats on getting hired by SE to be an official spokesman!

[Yinnyth]

Sorry I must have missed the announcement, congrats on getting hired by SE to be an official spokesman!

He gave some advice on how to avoid getting banhammered for doing something which is not against the rules. I seriously doubt SE will respond seeing as how that's basically giving RMT a roadmap for how to do their thing without getting banned.

Edit: CrystalWeapon, thanks for pointing me to that STF report. I had read it in the past, but I just skimmed it and didn't realize they were using automated banning tools.

[Zagen]

He gave some advice on how to avoid getting banhammered for doing something which is not against the rules. I seriously doubt SE will respond seeing as how that's basically giving RMT a roadmap for how to do their thing without getting banned.

And unless he's an official spokesman from SE his advice is meaningless considering he's not a part of the people who will make the decision on whether or not a player get's banned.

[Yinnyth]

And unless he's an official spokesman from SE his advice is meaningless considering he's not a part of the people who will make the decision on whether or not a player get's banned.

You're right, he can't accurately speak on behalf of SE. And I doubt SE will speak on the behalf of SE regarding that matter. So form your own opinion. As I would hope every intelligent person would. But if you need some advice, Alhanelem's is not a bad place to start.

I should mention, I do somewhat agree with the OP here. This is (or at least should be) a publicity nightmare for SE since they basically condemned selling your fellcleave services. But it should not be a nightmare for people offering helpful suggestions on how to avoid getting banned.

[FrankReynolds]

just because you do a monotonous 2 hour activity to get gil doesn't mean other people want to or have the time to. There will be gil buyers no matter how easy you percieve it to be to make gil. For every person who doesn't mind doing the work, there's someone that doesn't want to do it.

I certainly don't want to farm dynamis every day personally. Besides that, the price is crashing with new content decreasing interest in relics + oversaturation of currency in the market. The price on Shiva has dropped by almost a third since the expansion came out.

Anyone who buys gil is L-A-Z-Y. They buy it because they don't want to spend the time making it- even if it's not "difficult" to do. Thus, these are the same people whom are likely top be the clientel of fell cleavers.

no matter how easy you think something is, there will always be people who don't want to do it. You'll probably ask "why play then?" Well, that's a good question. Ask a gil buyer sometime.

I grasp that there are lazy people. However, earning enough gil to fell cleave your jobs up is super easy. We're talking what? maybe a million per job tops? If you think spending 1 million gil on something means that you are a gil buyer, then you yourself are definitely without a doubt a gil buyer by your own definition. That's completely ignoring the fact that prior to the blinker nerf, just sitting in a fell cleave party earned you enough gil to pay for the party. Prior to blinker nerfs, all you had to do was have enough money to get in the party. You would earn it back just standing there.

In other words, anyone who could come up with a million gil, just once. Just one million gil. Just one time. Had enough to level every job. Without ever earning another dime. Just trading in the cruor they made from the first run to fund the next until they were done with every job. You are crazy far off the mark on this one.

He'd be an exception to the rule. He also would have to rest/sleep sometime, so if he was in there all day every day for weeks straight, either he's super-human, has red bull for blood, or is using a bot program / script / keyboard macro.

His brother did play his character sometimes, but 99% of the time it was all him. He lives someplace where he gets snowed in and so he would do nothing but play FFXI during those times. It's not really for us to judge. The fact of the matter is that SE should be doing their due diligence to make sure they don't ban long time dedicated customers like him just so that they can stop joey the pink ninja from buying gil. Joey the pink ninja wasn't going to be around long anyways.

If you're that afraid of action being taken, then just don't do it. It's not like there's no other way to make gil than exploit gil buyers and lazy bums.

So in essence, honest paying customers should work extra hard to make their gil so that SE has less work to do investigating RMTs? That makes perfect sense... said no one ever.

[Demon6324236]

How do you "clarify" this? Just asking.

Their post says its action against RMT, yet a GM told me any player could be punished for participating in such a party. I want them to come out and say for sure if real players will be punished for it or if it was a misunderstanding and only those found to be RMT will be punished.