So is delve for new lvl 99 players?

[Kirito_Wind]

So if you don't have the equipment to participate in Reives effectively, the delve is supposed to way for players to get the equipment?

[Vivik]

From what I gather Delve is an event for players who are geared/skilled above average. I think you're gonna have to have top tier gear and be pretty damn good at your jobs to be successful at this event.

[Luvbunny]

It looks like Legion, only 1-3% of the players will be able to access it, the rest would just ignore it. I hope I am wrong, and it's more like Meeble Burrow where all can come and participate.

[Karbuncle]

---- I know the tone of post can be taken a little insultingly, but please understand, I'm not specifically calling anyone here gimp, especially to you LuvBunny cause i half 'quoted" you a few times, I don't think anyone specifically is gimp or bad players, Just that when it comes to this content and its direction, Follow the Directors advice and work on improving yourself before tackling the harder-hard Content

So keep that in mind when you read the following, cause i got a little ranty in the beginning.

Legion has no other entrance requirements outside of an I.Q At or above 50, Which... Lol, Yah, only 1-3% of the Population can enter. I kid i kid.

There's not a single event in FFXI That cannot be done with a pick up group, the only problem is, the term Pick up group is generally synonymous with "Bunch of morons and gimps". These events are only as hard as you make them. This new director is going in the right direction if you ask me, "Event's too hard? Try sucking less." - I'm not saying you need to spend 16 hours a day on FFXI, I'm saying if you walk up to an event in Full Aurore/Perle/Teal with 17 other people in the same gear, You're not going to win.

I think what the gear scale basically looks like right now is something like, from "Lowest" to "Better", in terms or difficulty and "Gear tiers"

Abyssea baseline (Teal/etc)
Emyrean +1/+2
Assorted VW Gear.
Reive Baseline
NeoSalvage
(Skirmish?)
NNI HQ's
(Delve).

When it comes down to it, Adoulin Baseline gear is absurdly good for how easy it is to get. a combo of that + EMpyrean+2 and you have a pretty good baseline set for WS and TP Phase, Its how you use it that makes events easier or not. The reason only 1-3% of a pOpulation might go to these events is because everyone else is either too stupid or too lazy to put in any effort into it, frankly they've been spoiled by easy mode and expect the game to continue suit to where they can jus throw a BST pet on it and call it a day.

Now, In the midst of this, I would like to mention, Even the most casual of casuals can get Reive armor, and Empyrean+2, It make take a few days or weeks, but you can do it. Problem is you'll have to make friends. So either shout for a pick up group a few times, and try not to make people hate your presence, and you can form a static, which might form a friendship, and there you have it. Linkshells are also good for this... some of them.

Once you do that, you can do just about anything, Unfortunately you have to learn the basics.

1) Macro's and Gear Swaps are not "Optional" if you want to be a good player.
1+) Make Macros. WS gear, TP Gear, DT set are pretty useful baseline for DD.
2) Some jobs are useless for some events, sorry.
3) Elitists exists, but theres plenty of people just trying to help and give advice, accept it.
4) You can't be angry at someone for not wanting to invite you cause you're below their standard.

There's a lot of key things in this game that are the same for every MMO, You can't pick up crap gear and expect to steam roll end-game content in FFXI anymore than you can in any MMO on the market. Plus, If you're failing events, its not because the event is too hard, its because you or the people you're with are incompetent, gimp, or not trying.

I also keep using the word Gimp, i should explain, its not "You should feel bad cause you suck and your gear sucks", its more "You can't do this event with the current gear". I know working for something is really hard and it'd be so much easier of jeeves would hand it to you on a silver platter... But working for gear in an MMO is not super hard, you just can't go "Well, I'm fresh out of abyssea, may as well go try NNI" then fail, and complain its to hard. Follow a gear ladder and work towards the best.

Personally, I know most of my jobs are pretty mid-tier on the gear ladder or lower, I try to stick to jobs i can gear well, But Its not always that easy, frankly most of my jobs are gimp (Undergeared). So i understand being ABLE to get the gear, but not just wanting too, though I don't make excuses for my undergeared jobs... well, maybe one, i hate them and don't play them... but outside of that, I Know why they're undergeared/gimp.. cause I'm too lazy to get better gear for em. But thats mostly for sh*t like WHM which i hate to play.

Every player has the ability to be good at the game and progress through all content, period. The only thing holding you back is either your company or your own descisions. Like it or not, FFXI has always had a gear ladder, it just some people circumvented it by abusing Linkshells or so forth, in this day and age, a lot of events can be formed in shouts, so the ladder is skewed and people just try to leech better gear through other people pulling them along. Even if you play 1 hour a day, try to devote some of that time farming a +1 seal or two, or doing a Reive battle or two... Just do your best and don't expect everything to be handed to you or to be so easy you can breeze through it in level 78 armor.

I myself lost a Skirmish just the other day, and I'm not going to let it stop me, We learned something new, and we'll adjust our jobs in the future...Don't give up, and don't look at it as too hard, look at it as "What can i improve to accomplish this goal?".

Also, I would like to mention there are 2 things i hate about some of the endgame content.

1) Accessing it is retarded (Skirmish)
2) Stupid Luck based sh*t (NNI).

Those are understandable complaints, but honestly, if you have the luck based crap, work on Neo-Salvage/Emp+2/Reive gear, Combinations of those, while not SUPERBEST, are adequate and really top tier as far as viable options go, and all can be achieved/completed with under 2 hours per day invested.

Goodluck

[Sfchakan]

---- I know the tone of post can be taken a little insultingly, but please understand, I'm not specifically calling anyone here gimp, especially to you LuvBunny cause i half 'quoted" you a few times, I don't think anyone specifically is gimp or bad players, Just that when it comes to this content and its direction, Follow the Directors advice and work on improving yourself before tackling the harder-hard Content

So keep that in mind when you read the following, cause i got a little ranty in the beginning.

Legion has no other entrance requirements outside of an I.Q At or above 50, Which... Lol, Yah, only 1-3% of the Population can enter. I kid i kid.

There's not a single event in FFXI That cannot be done with a pick up group, the only problem is, the term Pick up group is generally synonymous with "Bunch of morons and gimps". These events are only as hard as you make them. This new director is going in the right direction if you ask me, "Event's too hard? Try sucking less." - I'm not saying you need to spend 16 hours a day on FFXI, I'm saying if you walk up to an event in Full Aurore/Perle/Teal with 17 other people in the same gear, You're not going to win.

I think what the gear scale basically looks like right now is something like, from "Lowest" to "Better", in terms or difficulty and "Gear tiers"

Abyssea baseline (Teal/etc)
Emyrean +1/+2
Assorted VW Gear.
Reive Baseline
NeoSalvage
(Skirmish?)
NNI HQ's
(Delve).

When it comes down to it, Adoulin Baseline gear is absurdly good for how easy it is to get. a combo of that + EMpyrean+2 and you have a pretty good baseline set for WS and TP Phase, Its how you use it that makes events easier or not. The reason only 1-3% of a pOpulation might go to these events is because everyone else is either too stupid or too lazy to put in any effort into it, frankly they've been spoiled by easy mode and expect the game to continue suit to where they can jus throw a BST pet on it and call it a day.

Now, In the midst of this, I would like to mention, Even the most casual of casuals can get Reive armor, and Empyrean+2, It make take a few days or weeks, but you can do it. Problem is you'll have to make friends. So either shout for a pick up group a few times, and try not to make people hate your presence, and you can form a static, which might form a friendship, and there you have it. Linkshells are also good for this... some of them.

Once you do that, you can do just about anything, Unfortunately you have to learn the basics.

1) Macro's and Gear Swaps are not "Optional" if you want to be a good player.
1+) Make Macros. WS gear, TP Gear, DT set are pretty useful baseline for DD.
2) Some jobs are useless for some events, sorry.
3) Elitists exists, but theres plenty of people just trying to help and give advice, accept it.
4) You can't be angry at someone for not wanting to invite you cause you're below their standard.

There's a lot of key things in this game that are the same for every MMO, You can't pick up crap gear and expect to steam roll end-game content in FFXI anymore than you can in any MMO on the market. Plus, If you're failing events, its not because the event is too hard, its because you or the people you're with are incompetent, gimp, or not trying.

I also keep using the word Gimp, i should explain, its not "You should feel bad cause you suck and your gear sucks", its more "You can't do this event with the current gear". I know working for something is really hard and it'd be so much easier of jeeves would hand it to you on a silver platter... But working for gear in an MMO is not super hard, you just can't go "Well, I'm fresh out of abyssea, may as well go try NNI" then fail, and complain its to hard. Follow a gear ladder and work towards the best.

Personally, I know most of my jobs are pretty mid-tier on the gear ladder or lower, I try to stick to jobs i can gear well, But Its not always that easy, frankly most of my jobs are gimp (Undergeared). So i understand being ABLE to get the gear, but not just wanting too, though I don't make excuses for my undergeared jobs... well, maybe one, i hate them and don't play them... but outside of that, I Know why they're undergeared/gimp.. cause I'm too lazy to get better gear for em. But thats mostly for sh*t like WHM which i hate to play.

Every player has the ability to be good at the game and progress through all content, period. The only thing holding you back is either your company or your own descisions. Like it or not, FFXI has always had a gear ladder, it just some people circumvented it by abusing Linkshells or so forth, in this day and age, a lot of events can be formed in shouts, so the ladder is skewed and people just try to leech better gear through other people pulling them along. Even if you play 1 hour a day, try to devote some of that time farming a +1 seal or two, or doing a Reive battle or two... Just do your best and don't expect everything to be handed to you or to be so easy you can breeze through it in level 78 armor.

I myself lost a Skirmish just the other day, and I'm not going to let it stop me, We learned something new, and we'll adjust our jobs in the future...Don't give up, and don't look at it as too hard, look at it as "What can i improve to accomplish this goal?".

Also, I would like to mention there are 2 things i hate about some of the endgame content.

1) Accessing it is retarded (Skirmish)
2) Stupid Luck based sh*t (NNI).

Those are understandable complaints, but honestly, if you have the luck based crap, work on Neo-Salvage/Emp+2/Reive gear, Combinations of those, while not SUPERBEST, are adequate and really top tier as far as viable options go, and all can be achieved/completed with under 2 hours per day invested.

Goodluck

Not sure why you weren't Liked dozens of times already. You are 100% correct.

[Luvbunny]

---- Follow the Directors advice and work on improving yourself before tackling the harder-hard Content

LOL, I am worried their definition of "harder-hard" content is cheap NMs that insta death AOE your group - like ADL, Legion, etc. Or NMs that depends on server wide efforts to "Weaken" it (or in the case of WoTG - areas that are not controlled by beast men). It's been over a year now, they should further tweak Legion, similar to how they make Provenance Watcher more accessible.

[Genoxd]

LOL, I am worried their definition of "harder-hard" content is cheap NMs that insta death AOE your group - like ADL, Legion, etc. Or NMs that depends on server wide efforts to "Weaken" it (or in the case of WoTG - areas that are not controlled by beast men). It's been over a year now, they should further tweak Legion, similar to how they make Provenance Watcher more accessible.

Based on your ffxiah profile, I doubt you've done 1/2 the things you're complaining about (not successfully anyways) The only job I'd guess you have any decent gear on is THF and that's basically worthless other then TH. Also no relic/empyrean/mythic not even the fake empyreans. I don't even see any weapons that are top of the line non-r/e/m weapons. Now obviously FFXIAH misses stuff so maybe you do have decent gear hiding away somewhere...but I would bet you clearly fall into the Empyrean +2 player base.

Before you start complaining about end game that you have no right to be a part of please go find a competent group of players and get some better gear so you can attempt to do these events (that at the moment are far beyond your gear level, wont make any assumptions on your skill) then by all means voice your complaints based on EXPERIENCE not hearsay.

Edit: missed a t in complaints

[Luvbunny]

Based on your ffxiah profile, I doubt you've done 1/2 the things you're complaining about (not successfully anyways) The only job I'd guess you have any decent gear on is THF and that's basically worthless other then TH. Also no relic/empyrean/mythic not even the fake empyreans. I don't even see any weapons that are top of the line non-r/e/m weapons. Before you start complaining about end game that you have no right to be a part of please go find a competent group of players and get some better gear so you can attempt to do these events (that at the moment are far beyond your gear level, wont make any assumptions on your skill) then by all means voice your complaints based on EXPERIENCE not hearsay.

This is the same exact racism that should be eradicated from this game. Looking down and judging other players based on gears alone - and R/M/E weapons, LMAO. And trying to feel good by thinking you are above everyone else just because you managed to get them - meaning you just have more time or gil or willing to grind more than everyone else or just getting lucky at your Voidwatch drops. You should know by now that gears help a little bit, but skills and knowledge trumps gears. Telling people to "go get better gears" is your solution??

[Zagen]

This is the same exact racism that should be eradicated from this game. Looking down and judging other players based on gears alone - and R/M/E weapons, LMAO. And trying to feel good by thinking you are above everyone else just because you managed to get them - meaning you just have more time or gil or willing to grind more than everyone else or just getting lucky at your Voidwatch drops. You should know by now that gears help a little bit, but skills and knowledge trumps gears. Telling people to "go get better gears" is your solution??

The thing is, the more skilled you are generally means the better gear you have as a result...

[Genoxd]

This is the same exact racism that should be eradicated from this game. Looking down and judging other players based on gears alone - and R/M/E weapons, LMAO. And trying to feel good by thinking you are above everyone else just because you managed to get them - meaning you just have more time or gil or willing to grind more than everyone else or just getting lucky at your Voidwatch drops. You should know by now that gears help a little bit, but skills and knowledge trumps gears. Telling people to "go get better gears" is your solution??

That's not racism, racism is the fact that I'm a Tarutaru meaning most people don't want me to go to Legion on a DD job because it's easier for me to die in 1 hit. You should learn the meaning of the words you use before you throw labels around.

I do not feel as though I'm better then anyone, I know for a fact that I have more skill than some and less than others. Gear and skill both have limits, this becomes very evident in certain events. I have lost many NNI runs because idiots with awesome gear cannot do lamps and no not listen. At the same time I have lost some NNI runs because I watched poorly geared players fighting mobs and not basically 1 shotting everything in sight. Or those who are unwilling to go the extra mile and buy multiple Powder boots.

I can't do anything about the idiots who can't do lamps other then not go with them again, however I can prevent the painful experience of watching a gimp SAM fight an EP mob forever by excluding them based on gear. Why should I set myself and 4 others up for failure? If someone wants to do NNI in pearl gear then they should shout and make their own group not expect me to invite them and waste others time.

My solution is not to tell people to go get better gear. There is a path of progress being created in this game, one that exists in many if not most other MMORPGs. You aim for goals that are within your reach, once you have obtained that gear you are able to progress to another tier of gear.

To the post above, I have no interest in them making Empyrean +2 meaningless. Growth is growth, at some point characters will grow to a point where adding new content must be made inaccessible to some or it will be far too easy for others. I'm glad it's not WoW where when a new tier comes out the old tier is completely replaced.
My SAM uses gear from AH, Dynamis, CoP(ring), Salvage, NNI, WoTG(earring), Abyssea, WoE, VW, and now SoA/Reives.

tl;dr?
There's nothing in this game that makes me feel better or worse then anyone. It's a videogame and I play to enjoy myself(for me story, fighting awesome monsters with a group, and setting goals to accomplish.)
Gear and Skill are both very important and both can only go so far. Your gear sets the cap on your skill. You can be the best player in the world but without the gear certain things will be out of your reach. NNI is again a great example. A timed event where you can be an amazing player, but if you can't kill fast enough you will lose.

Remember that you may be heard by making a lot of noise, but it doesn't mean anyone is actually listening.

Anyways, I'm out...Stopped reading 1/2 way through page one so I probably derailed this enough~