Dear SE: STOP AVOIDING IT.

[Alhanelem]

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Your arbitrary ratings are based on nothing but your opinions and some are flat out wrong. Are you really trying to tell me that a pet that has a wait time of up to a minute to resummon is more disposable than a pet that has a 8 second recast?

You can not throw puppets at mobs like you can throw avatars at them. This fact alone is why SMN (and BST) are highly preferable for these circumstances (e.g. walk of echoes)

SE hasn't been avoiding summoner and has made some adjustment or another in almost every update which contains job adjustments.

If nothing else we certainly know we have a good 2nd SP ability coming.

The only thing they HAVE been avoiding, which I AM bitter about, is Cait Sith and Atomos. They announced those well over a year ago and there's still no sign that they're coming.

one more edit: Let me ask one more question: Of these three jobs, which one is the most asked for by the community for any content? Answer: Summoner.

[Demon6324236]

one more edit: Let me ask one more question: Of these three jobs, which one is the most asked for by the community for any content? Answer: Summoner.

People do not ask for Summoner, they ask for Perfect Defense, just like most groups do not ask for SCH, they ask for Embrava. Completely remove PD, then see how many groups ask for a SMN, that will show you the jobs true worth, when you can take a single ability from a job and it falls apart, the job itself is broken.

[hideka]

inbe4 moved to summoner board

Your arbitrary ratings are based on nothing but your opinions and some are flat out wrong. Are you really trying to tell me that a pet that has a wait time of up to a minute to resummon is more disposable than a pet that has a 8 second recast?

You can not throw puppets at mobs like you can throw avatars at them. This fact alone is why SMN (and BST) are highly preferable for these circumstances (e.g. walk of echoes)

SE hasn't been avoiding summoner and has made some adjustment or another in almost every update which contains job adjustments.

If nothing else we certainly know we have a good 2nd SP ability coming.

The only thing they HAVE been avoiding, which I AM bitter about, is Cait Sith and Atomos. They announced those well over a year ago and there's still no sign that they're coming.

one more edit: Let me ask one more question: Of these three jobs, which one is the most asked for by the community for any content? Answer: Summoner.

i agree with you on the disposability, but i think ive made a fair evaluation of everything else. SMN should be S rank disposablilty and Pup should be A rank.

i don't know what your talking about pup not being able to throw autos in there... i can throw valor edge into a WOE battle all day long >_> between 32% Pet PDT, Schurzen, Barrier module, equalizer , auto repair I&II, and oils, i rarely lose a robot. oh and a good vit Maneuver build helps alot.


the adjustments SE has made to summoner since Avatars favor and upper level pacts:
1: Spirit perpetuation costs
2: Spirit Merits
3: Nerfing P Defense.
stop me if ive missed something crucial here... these are "oh hey, we need to give them something just to say we did" updates.

smn needs more work than any job in this game, other than RUN and GEO, but they dont count since they havent been in the game for the last decade.