Dragoon Endgame Lances

[Umichi]

For people saying Relic = Empy. No, just no. Empy will never beat Relic. I would say the difference between the empy and the relic is even bigger then the difference between the mythic and the relic.

For one, the additional x2.5 proc on relic is always there at a 15% rate. The def down adding to every DD's damage. The 40 acc, if you need it. Geirskogul is a stronger single hit ws if you need it. You can't mention the aftermath on empy because Geirskogul is rarely used and that's far stronger then camlann's. All the empy is, is a high Damage polearm with no other effects.

hence the mentality all other weapons are useless compared to empy lance... but i disagree. I am building gugnir... It fits my build ^^

[Babekeke]

hence the mentality all other weapons are useless compared to empy lance... but i disagree. I am building gugnir... It fits my build ^^

Who has ever said that all weapons are useless compared to Empy Lance? Right now: Delve Boss weapon > Ryunohige > Delve Trident/Relic (not sure which would come out on top) > Empy, dead last. Heck, Herja's Fork probably beats Empy.

[Umichi]

Who has ever said that all weapons are useless compared to Empy Lance? Right now: Delve Boss weapon > Ryunohige > Delve Trident/Relic (not sure which would come out on top) > Empy, dead last. Heck, Herja's Fork probably beats Empy.

I'm still catching up with the times i came back right before audolins release, lol..., I was also slightly inebriated when i was typing this i meant mythic.

I think ophidian would win if fights went on longer, more hits equates to more damage, but ryu has some nice things like removing the 10% attack penalty on drakes and the jump augmentations are sweet

[Babekeke]

I think ophidian would win if fights went on longer, more hits equates to more damage, but ryu has some nice things like removing the 10% attack penalty on drakes and the jump augmentations are sweet

More hits = more damage is exactly why Ryu beats Ophidian lol. 300%TP aftermath is OA 2-3 times, meaning more swings overall, fewer attack rounds between WS, and more multiple hits on jumps for back-to-back WSing. Not to mention the higher delay = higher TP gain from jumps too with Ryu.

As for the jump augmentations, I'm not sure when I would ever use Jump over Spirit Jump, other than when under the effect of Spirit Surge, if it was timed to be just after Angon wore off.

[Hawklaser]

Who has ever said that all weapons are useless compared to Empy Lance? Right now: Delve Boss weapon > Ryunohige > Delve Trident/Relic (not sure which would come out on top) > Empy, dead last. Heck, Herja's Fork probably beats Empy.

I find it rather interesting that Ryunohige ends up where it does, considering how most other RME fare against plasm weapons currently. I can see use for Emp in some situations though, but that is something that boils down more to Wheeling Thrust vs Camlann's Torment, and with the rumored possibility of having that weaponskill no longer needing the Emp Lance, that would likely be the last straw for Emp usefulness.

Yet to see what new weapons have shown up in this latest patch, anything of note for Drg?

[Helldemon]

Ophidian is crap, would have been much much better off if they had given us a lance delay weapon with damage to match. Low ws damage, lower ws ratio and more tp feed to the monster. It only slightly edges out gungnir based on my experience which is quite sad and only on things like plasm farms. I believe anything you would need the extra acc from gungnir on would put it ahead.

[Babekeke]

Ophidian is crap, would have been much much better off if they had given us a lance delay weapon with damage to match. Low ws damage, lower ws ratio and more tp feed to the monster. It only slightly edges out gungnir based on my experience which is quite sad and only on things like plasm farms. I believe anything you would need the extra acc from gungnir on would put it ahead.

Just saw your bug report. Great stuff!!!

Oh I did think of 1 way in which Ophidian IS (or at least will be) better than any RME... The proposed wyvern adjustments where the wyvern scales up with 'item level' of the weapon, as currently this will only apply to SoA weapons.

(though I haven't seen any further mention of it being implemented.) I take it back.

It just got implemented. Could be interesting as to what stats have been increased. If HP is 1 of the stats increased, and by any significant margin, using trident could end up better as a solo/low-man weapon for the extra HP cured from breaths. And another reason to get rid of Heavy Breathing merits.

[Helldemon]

The hp increase is about 100 or so. Might increase more with leveling the wyvern up. It just p*sses me off when I think about that weapon. I was fighting one of the new birds in Marjami Ravine and it was ping-ponging back and forth between me and my wyvern because this sh*tty spear couldn't even do enough damage, on a piercing weak mob no less!! What's more, war and drk get another GS and GA when they already have two great options lol and drg only has a weapon unobtainable by most.

Edit- Taken from someone on BG. This is with Upu though so 6 lvls higher then sh*t spear.

Ranth: 110~156 damage per hit for my wyvern on a Blanched Mandragora outside Adoulin. 1132 Flame Breath with deep breathing (and to my knowledge) all available breath damage/enhancing gear. 201~240 Critical Hits on the mandragora, it was only hit for about 30~35 damage from the mandragora and evaded a lot of its attacks. I don't think this is going to help enough in that it'll be a relevant source of damage anyways due to the breath damage reduction making wyvern breaths garbage anyways, but I guess it's better than nothing.

[Ophannus]

Hope the craftable delve polearm isnt a spear.
(All weapons types will get a droppable mega weapon that's r/ex off a delve mega boss, and also a craftable weapon made with a delve boss synthesis material drop. So far the new delve bosses will probably drop a craftable for a high level polearm, a senbaak nagan/razor fury equivalent for polearm perhaps. The crazy thing is Senbaak Nagan and Razor Fury are already powerful in their own right and theyre not even the delve r/ex boss drops

[Helldemon]

Just love how they gave war and drk more weapons this update as if they needed them lol.