best gear for a 90drk/sam

[Urteil]

The ODD is the best when the DRK set effect procs.

The world implodes.

[Raelia]

Go back and read my first post. I said you had to make sacrifices, and my 'impossibility' standpoint was based on not losing a decent haste value. Zelus Tiara makes up for most of that.

since you have trouble understanding how STP actually works and what you can do with current gear available.

More petty insults.

Also the AM IS a big Deal, that AM is the 5% ODD that relics were so praised for before abyssea but it procs 40% of the time. Especially if you are inside of abyssea where you are constantly hitting for 1k+ with the bonus from Razed Ruins. Outside you would be swinging form anywhere to 560-750, critting for 850-1k when it does happen, this is not something that can be ignored and it makes the weapon vastly superior to others.

Those are great e-peen numbers, but let me put this in dead simple terms.

The more you reduce the number of hits between WS, the more your ratio shifts to being mostly WS.

The higher your fTP (or total fTP for multihit-WS), the more your ratio shifts to being mostly WS.

If you have 4 hits between WS, and a 6.0 WS that carries about 40% more base damage from WSC, you're looking at 67% of your damage being from WS.

So 33% of your damage is from TP phase if you aren't camped out on your 140+ TP like a tard.

40% ODD only affects this 33% of your total damage, and is simply 40% more damage. Crits don't matter, other bonus procs don't matter. It's just 40% more melee damage on top of all of that. 1.4*33% = 46.2%

So even using more grounded figures (I've seen greater spreads from SAMs though, no stretch that a DRK could hit 70/30), you're still only getting ~16% more total damage from Aftermath. It's nothing to sneeze at, but I showed the 'inferior' Penitence +2 beating a 6-hit Redemption by a fair portion of that without Aftermath calculated.

12-16% is not 'vastly' superior. Your overassertion of Aftermath is the same as your overassertion of Torcleaver. It's big numbers only in the small scope. In all seriousness it probably proves even more true on Caladbolg and I bet the total damage increase from Aftermath is a single digit percent.

Once again you've slipped into Abyssea too. Please stay in the real world where we don't get out-DD'd by BRDs (and I don't out-DD hotshot Drakesbane DRGs with Infernal Scythe, trade secret...)

[Gradd]

The ODD is the best when the DRK set effect procs.

The world implodes.

I have Hit up to 2.3k with Caladbolg's AM and DRK set bonus proc'ing at the same time, its very rare but when it does happen, it is pretty amazing. The proc rate of the set bonus is pretty shitty though, its only around 5% with 5/5, Apoc being the only weapon that can honestly take advantage of the full set, but in all honesty a 5-hit Mixed set would end up being better for Apoc. The average DRK set would be 3/5 (body/head/hands) but in all honesty its nothing groundbreaking at all because its so rare when it does happen.

[Gradd]

The sacrifices DONT MATTER why? Because they effect your DoT during the TP phase and either way, a 5-hit Redemption is still hitting TWICE as hard as a 5-hit Penitence. Neither are being gimped in terms of Weaponskill gear with the build I gave you (something you keep ignoring).

Why don't you go on FFXIAH or BG and post that you think Penitence is better than Redemption and that Empyrean AM is worthless. Because trust me it won't be just me hounding you for your ignorance.

[Raelia]

Okay, so explain to me how a chunk of accuracy and attack (and don't say attack is capped, a 90 Apoc DRK with stacked Atma doesn't cap Attack on lv90 abyssea birds even with Red Curry Bun, see BG) is "only affecting melee damage" but suddenly a 40% chance of double damage isn't subject to that same stipulation?

Which boost would you rather have: 30% more damage full-time or x20 damage 1% of the time?

I know it sounds like a retarded question, but you've already given the retarded answer...

You put words in my mouth that Aftermath is worthless, I showed only that it wasn't an n'th as effective in total damage increase as you praise it to be. If ever I need an example of BNS I'll look you up again.

My statement, again for clarity:
Penitence +2 5-hit > or ~= Redemption 6-hit

That you can 5-hit Redemption is interesting, and perhaps changes it back around, but I'm sure if I dug hard enough I could 4-hit Penitence and use your same argument that "the sacrifices don't matter" as long as I'm still hitting 80% delay reduction with a perfect party setup. Please continue putting words in my mouth and cooking up a 'best case' scenario and setup for Redemption to take it's woefully lost title of best scythe back.

You can at least agree that Twilight is trash at this point, no?

[Gradd]

There is absoultley no reason at all for you to compare a 5-hit Penitence to a 6-hit Redemption, especially when it is not hard to acquire the gear to 5-hit the Weapon. Also Are you seriously comparing ACC? ACC has been irrelevant for a very long time, minus a very select few mobs ACC is capped 90% of situations without using Pizza.

Just like WARs get hastled to 5-hit their Ukons, a Redemption DRK should get hastled to 5-hit their Redemption.

You just assumed and fought against the idea that it was possible to 5-hit Redemption blindingly, even trying to say you sacrifice too much in WS gear without even researching or doing the math to back up your claims, even AFTER I did the math for you to show you otherwise.

The first thing you did was fight against the idea of Redemption being able to 5-hit saying it was only possible inside of abyssea, which I quickly threw the bullshit card on you. The only person trying to turn things around and change opinions is you.

You are comparing a very minor loss in attack, and even if it wasnt Capped do you HONESTLY think your Penitence is doing more damage in the melee phase than a Redemption during aftermath? Its maybe a 60 Attack difference, not that big of a deal for a job with naturally high attack anyways. Redemption also has the higher weaponskill frequency from the lower delay.

Trust me your Penitence is FAR from the best weapon for DRK, I really doubt it even compares to Apocalypse and Apoc is honestly not that great right now, its probably third best Scythe at the moment.

I don't know what the hell you are trying to prove but your weapon is not better than an Empyrean/Relic/Mythic in any way shape or form. It MIGHT come close to apoc but that is very doubtful.

[Raelia]

I found your 5-hit build for Redemption interesting, but I reject it because you are a douchebag about it and greatly overblow the difference.

Also, I don't even have it, and if I had it I wouldn't even be using it half the time. So what's your point there? You're the one with emotional stake in Empyreans being the best and staying the best.

Anything you say "doesn't matter'" does not magically cease to be a mathematical component of damage dealt, and you have a terrible habit of thinking precisely that.

[Seoha]

Jesus christ Raelia, Gradd is giving more than satisfactory answers to every post you have.
Here, I'll break it down to you:

1. WS frequency is important. A 6 hit is good, a 5 hit is better. You can say whatever you want about Askar Korazin, IT IS A BETTER TP PIECE if you can 5 hit it compared to Bale Cuirass +2. DO NOT overlook Store TP.

2. 6 hit & 25% haste = good.
5 hit + 22+% haste = Better. WS frequency will trump a TP rush to 100 under a 6 hit scenario. Guess what? more WS's = more damage.

3. Redemption is a good weapon, Caladbolg is as well. It is possible to 6 hit a caladbolg with a little sacrifice on Haste, but given the consistency and overall high-end damage of the WS it is a good weapon if you build it right. I can't vouch for Quietus at the moment. I haven't seen, however, impressive numbers.

Given the fact that Redemption can be 5-hit'd, then for personal experience I can say that the weapon is in par with Torcleaver (Zic or Raen can correct me there).

and to end:

There is absoultley no reason at all for you to compare a 5-hit Penitence to a 6-hit Redemption, especially when it is not hard to acquire the gear to 5-hit the Weapon. Also Are you seriously comparing ACC? ACC has been irrelevant for a very long time, minus a very select few mobs ACC is capped 90% of situations without using Pizza.

Just like WARs get hastled to 5-hit their Ukons, a Redemption DRK should get hastled to 5-hit their Redemption.

You just assumed and fought against the idea that it was possible to 5-hit Redemption blindingly, even trying to say you sacrifice too much in WS gear without even researching or doing the math to back up your claims, even AFTER I did the math for you to show you otherwise.

The first thing you did was fight against the idea of Redemption being able to 5-hit saying it was only possible inside of abyssea, which I quickly threw the bullshit card on you. The only person trying to turn things around and change opinions is you.

You are comparing a very minor loss in attack, and even if it wasnt Capped do you HONESTLY think your Penitence is doing more damage in the melee phase than a Redemption during aftermath? Its maybe a 60 Attack difference, not that big of a deal for a job with naturally high attack anyways. Redemption also has the higher weaponskill frequency from the lower delay.

Trust me your Penitence is FAR from the best weapon for DRK, I really doubt it even compares to Apocalypse and Apoc is honestly not that great right now, its probably third best Scythe at the moment.

I don't know what the hell you are trying to prove but your weapon is not better than an Empyrean/Relic/Mythic in any way shape or form. It MIGHT come close to apoc but that is very doubtful.

Seriously.
I think a 6 hit Caladbolg may as be in par, if not, out damage your build right now. Don't get too far ahead thinking that the Penitence +2 *is* the best weapon available because it is not.

[Kaeoni]

This isn't where i parked my car, I could have sworn this was Blue Gartr. Oh well, while i'm here

[Taint]

My DRK is setup like this atm.

AM Down

Apoc/rose/x/Whitetath
AF+2/Bale/Bale/Brutal
AF+2/AF+2/Raja/hoard
Tactical/Goading/Ace's/Ace's

AM up

Apoc/Rose/x/Bombcore
AF+2/Bale/Bale/Brutal
AF+2/AF+2/Raja/Mars
Atheling/Goading/AF+2/AF+2

My AM up set isn't perfect goes back to a 6hit but as seldom as I use DRK its fun to have the big crits.