Quote Originally Posted by saevel View Post
Arch Dynamis Lord and not because he's the "strongest" merely the cheapest. He's got a bunch of moves that are dumb and can split into multiple copies that all then use those powerful moves simultaneously.

It really depends on your definition of "strong" or "ultimate". This is FFXI not one of the previous console games. If your looking for some super powerful optional boss battle then go play those.
Well mainly I'm looking for things to do in the game besides just leveling and gearing on it's own.

From what I've seen, Dark Rider would definitely be the strongest monster in the game just due to the fact that it's never been defeated. But what about AV, PW, Shinryu, Vrtra etc? Are they still considered to be in the top tier of HNM?