Why did SE lie

[saevel]

I'm posting this because as of this update two things SE previously posted here have been proved to be lies.

Firstly we've been asking for unique enfeebling spells, ones that reduce monster stats like Accuracy Down, Evasion Down, Magic Defense Down, Magic Evasion Down and so forth. The CR replied that there was limited spell space and SE didn't want to create any more spells then necessary.

Then they made GEO with something like 60+ unique spells, many of them copies of others.

Obviously they had plenty of room to create RDM unique enfeebling spells.

Secondly, we asked for aura's for our buffs and again the CR replied it would be too powerful. With Geo getting many Aura buffs this was again proven false. Not only do they get Aura buffs they get nearly unresistable Aura debuffs.

Finally, the unforgivable part. Everything up to now could be understood except this. Those Red Mage "unique" enfeebles we were asking for, they gave them all to GEO. Literally they copied the list I posted here and gave them to GEO.

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Geomancer

Not going to list them all, but there is attack down, defense down, magic defense down, magic accuracy down, and most important F*CKING MAGIC EVASION DOWN.

Guys SE just made Geomancer the "master of enfeebling" as their range of useful enfeebles far surpasses Red Mages.

So now I'm wondering, why did SE lie to us when we asked those questions? Further why did SE not include RDM in several of those debuffs, release single target versions for Red Mage. It was bad before but this is just blatantly lying to our faces and then expecting us to be stupid about it.

[saevel]

Here their post about "max capacity" BS.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post346123

Good evening!

As we are approaching max capacity for adding magic we are in a situation where it is difficult to add new spells on a short-term basis, and this is not only limited to red mage. To clarify, this doesn’t mean we cannot add new magic, it just means we first need to address the expansion of the magic spell capacity, so this will take a bit of time.

Next, in regards to some of the suggestions and requests we have been seeing.

Plague effect enfeebling magic spell:
Since there are already abilities that add a plague effect, we don’t really feel a necessity to add it to red mage’s arsenal. Also, since DoT-related magic spells are scholars forte, this wouldn't be something that is unique to red mage.

Stronger version of Dia/Bio:
Red mages already have Dia 3 and Bio 3 from merit points which are considerably powerful version of these spells.

As mentioned previously, the Development Team is looking into adding new spells that will be quite different from the current list available.

I'll let you guys look up the one where they said Aura's would be "too strong".

[Volkai]

Here their post about "max capacity" BS.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post346123

Good evening!

As we are approaching max capacity for adding magic we are in a situation where it is difficult to add new spells on a short-term basis, and this is not only limited to red mage. To clarify, this doesn’t mean we cannot add new magic, it just means we first need to address the expansion of the magic spell capacity, so this will take a bit of time.

Next, in regards to some of the suggestions and requests we have been seeing.

Plague effect enfeebling magic spell:
Since there are already abilities that add a plague effect, we don’t really feel a necessity to add it to red mage’s arsenal. Also, since DoT-related magic spells are scholars forte, this wouldn't be something that is unique to red mage.

Stronger version of Dia/Bio:
Red mages already have Dia 3 and Bio 3 from merit points which are considerably powerful version of these spells.

As mentioned previously, the Development Team is looking into adding new spells that will be quite different from the current list available.

Lemme go ahead and bold the bits that make this not BS in the way you claim.

[Aarahs]

If you're going to say SE lied, then link quotes showing where they actually lied, not quotes where you skimmed through without actually reading and assumed something.

[Demon6324236]

Lying or not, they fucked RDM like normal. Like he said, they just made GEO a better enfeebler than RDM, which was the only viable role RDM had left it could fill and only if it got enfeebles that were new and unique. As of now, RDM has fewer enfeebles than GEO, many of the possible enfeebles have been taken if not almost all of them, so what exactly is there left for RDM that is unique? Amnesia? Good luck on that, super enfeebles like irremovable Para or Mute? Doubtful, not a ton of use in those anyways since most mobs do not remove their debuffs.

I admit, as much as I love my RDM I am about fuckin ready to quit the job or quit the game, I get screwed every update on upgrades to my job so it can see some use. We need unique enfeebles, nope, we need unique abilities to make us worth bringing, nope, we need light DD gear so we can be a jack-of-all-trades, nope, we need some form of DW, nope. This job wont be fixed, and SE doesn't care, they lie to us by telling us they have plans of RDM, but if so, where are the updates? Where are the plans? Are these like the Death Star plans where I have to send a group of Bothan spies to go steal them for me so I can figure out how to thwart the plan of the SEmpire? Its getting tiring getting screwed, can I have a piece of good news for once that will put me on my job for more than just 1 event, so I have something more to do than CSS ADL on my favorite and main job?

[Losie]

Lying or not, they fucked RDM like normal. Like he said, they just made GEO a better enfeebler than RDM, which was the only viable role RDM had left it could fill and only if it got enfeebles that were new and unique. As of now, RDM has fewer enfeebles than GEO, many of the possible enfeebles have been taken if not almost all of them, so what exactly is there left for RDM that is unique? Amnesia? Good luck on that, super enfeebles like irremovable Para or Mute? Doubtful, not a ton of use in those anyways since most mobs do not remove their debuffs.

I admit, as much as I love my RDM I am about fuckin ready to quit the job or quit the game, I get screwed every update on upgrades to my job so it can see some use. We need unique enfeebles, nope, we need unique abilities to make us worth bringing, nope, we need light DD gear so we can be a jack-of-all-trades, nope, we need some form of DW, nope. This job wont be fixed, and SE doesn't care, they lie to us by telling us they have plans of RDM, but if so, where are the updates? Where are the plans? Are these like the Death Star plans where I have to send a group of Bothan spies to go steal them for me so I can figure out how to thwart the plan of the SEmpire? Its getting tiring getting screwed, can I have a piece of good news for once that will put me on my job for more than just 1 event, so I have something more to do than CSS ADL on my favorite and main job?

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that's a sad darn story. You want RDM to be a guaranteed-must-have in every single party, alliance, etc.? Well, I'm sure there are quite a few other jobs who have been the backseat red-headed step children for years, if not since their job came out, that would love the degree of desirability that red mages have long commanded.

Just play your character and enjoy the job - if the only reason you play RDM is because it's "the best" or something, then play whatever else is best. If you play RDM because you like it, then submit some ideas or something useful.. but this boohoo GEO got stuff I wanted for RDM so now I'm all mad is just silly. There are a lot of jobs that could use some more attention than red mages and have been left on the back burner for too long.

[Demon6324236]

You want RDM to be a guaranteed-must-have in every single party, alliance, etc.?

No, not all events, simply more than one event. When My LS tells me I can only go RDM to a single event while I must go SCH for literally every single thing we do besides that one its quite annoying. When I am able to come to a couple more events with my RDM without it being just a reject, Ill be a little less angry about it all, till then, not so much.

If you play RDM because you like it, then submit some ideas or something useful...

I have done just that many times, the same as many RDMs have, yet I have not seen a single meaningful adjustment to the job except Temper in probably about two years, and most would argue even that was worthless because it is a self only buff. Inform me of when SE starts to actually listen, so that I may continue to submit my ideas, until then it seems as though RDM ideas are simply given to other jobs or completely ignored.

[Perdition]

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but that's a sad darn story. You want RDM to be a guaranteed-must-have in every single party, alliance, etc.? Well, I'm sure there are quite a few other jobs who have been the backseat red-headed step children for years, if not since their job came out, that would love the degree of desirability that red mages have long commanded.

Just play your character and enjoy the job - if the only reason you play RDM is because it's "the best" or something, then play whatever else is best. If you play RDM because you like it, then submit some ideas or something useful.. but this boohoo GEO got stuff I wanted for RDM so now I'm all mad is just silly. There are a lot of jobs that could use some more attention than red mages and have been left on the back burner for too long.

I agree with you that ppl should stop whining about RDM, but I think that many RDM have a legitimate gripe in this thread. Redmage has recently had it's entire bag of tricks raided by other classes. It seems that in making new classes, SE seems to diminish the function of previously existing classes. The way SE has done this, is by giving these classes many of the same abilities as RDM, only they make those abilities better and more effective. In doing so, RDM has become somewhat of a depreciated job. Look at a job like WHM by comparison, WHM has some truly powerful spells that no other job can emulate. This makes WHM a major asset to groups of any size. Dnc is not substitute, RDM is no substitute, SCH is no substitute, nothing makes up for a lvl 99 WHM. By having unique abilities, it helps to define your role in the game. This makes you desirable in various different circumstances. So while every RDM does not desire to be wanted for everything, we do desire to have a purpose and function in a group setting. Unfortunately, so many other jobs can do what we do in a PT atmosphere, that we are not needed for anything. This is why RDM would like an update. By adding a unique ability that can be beneficial to a group, we would at least be able to justify our place in FFXI.

There was a time that RDM was one of two jobs that could access refresh, by virtue of this one spell, we could gain access to a PT. This was a good time to be a RDM, but things have changed. Now we lack a unique purpose that can justify us in any circumstance. We may be the best enfeebling class, but landing Para doesn't seem to matter anymore. In the days of ground kings, keeping Para, blind, slow etc... on Nidhogg and Faf was a big deal. Now a days, not so much. If you sift through all the whining, there is a really a sincere request to SE, the request is to make us relevant again, by giving us something to call our own that is actually useful.

[Malthar]

OMG! SE lied?! Say it isn't so!
You mean, I'm going to get gear that enhances pet TH?! Oh no!

[Economizer]

The CR replied that there was limited spell space and SE didn't want to create any more spells then necessary.

First, the reply you quoted, which is incredibly relevant:

Good evening!

As we are approaching max capacity for adding magic we are in a situation where it is difficult to add new spells on a short-term basis, and this is not only limited to red mage. To clarify, this doesn’t mean we cannot add new magic, it just means we first need to address the expansion of the magic spell capacity, so this will take a bit of time.

Then this one which gives more information:

As some of you have discovered since trying out the version update, the sorting for the magic and ability list was reset. Here's why that happened.

During the version update, we edited the internal aspects of magic data in order to prepare for the below:

• Geomancy and other new magic categories/Addition of new abilities
• Expansion for existing magic and abilities

Basically, on the spell capacity issue, they've been pretty consistent, at least with spells that weren't already in the dats that they've been holding back because they're afraid of giving certain jobs any new toys (Red Mage's enfeebles, White Mage's nukes for example).

I'd dig up quotes for your other two points because I remember the Community Reps saying something about both points but searching these forums is a total crapshoot. If my memory serves me well I'd say they're not black and white refutations of your points, but they had important information that makes it a little more gray.

Obviously SE does have a track record of overpromising and underdelivering with FFXI, but I think that in this case it is slightly more ambiguous then you're making it out to be. I definitely support the general idea of being worried, especially since Red Mage isn't the only kid on the block having to share toys, but we can't be led astray with exaggeration, especially when we don't need it.