Enmity imbalance?

[Godofgods]

I heard they adjusted the enmity for damage dealt, but was this result intended?
I was in abyssea going for rani, after pulling him, attacking several round, and landing a large WS; then whm then took his first action of the fight and cast a single cure 5 on me. And that alone was enough to take hate. - After an accomplice and another ws, whm cast a cure on himself form the atk, which took hate again and got him killed.

And this has happened in other places, not just aby. Cures seem to take a massive amount of hate compared to damage dealt to a mob. Is this just an imbalance, or the new face of fighting?

[Dragoy]

I as well noticed pretty quickly that I have to be doing things to bad things more than before, or they'll do bad things more often or more readily to them healers.

At least they already mentioned that they are indeed looking into adjustments for at least Cure V.

However, I thought the damage dealers wouldn't be restricted as much either, and I don't really see that. The healers go past them very quickly, and this isn't exactly what I find a good direction to go for. This goes for cures other than Cure V, too. Even the little cures seem to go to the top on enmity pretty easily. :/

Overall it makes things less controllable, methinks.

[katiekat]

so does this mean duoing in abyssea is pretty much not posable atm?

[Dragoy]

katiekat,

Depends on how close to impossible you were before. ^^;

It is not an issue to me at all, that's not what I'm saying. It's just that I notice very easily that there was a change and that I definitely need to be doing more to keep the attention of a target (meaning you can't just hit them a few times, and/or weapon skill, then stop and wait for people to trigger weaknesses or whatever).

It hasn't been an issue at all to me yet while actually actively fighting a thing, but I haven't fought something like the Rani and friends after the change. I don't think it will be a real issue at all, especially since Cure V is going to see a change... probably.

I do, however, feel that there might be further adjustments to be made.

[Luvbunny]

So far hate issues is not the only problem we are dealing with. There is also big problem with defense and how much damage you are taking as melee DD. Overall these new updates are just plain old terrible, not implemented well and did not even go through a proper testing. Welcome to the new FFXI, say goodbye to fun accessible events and get ready for shouts and LFG for a perfect party with your perfect jobs and E/M/R shouts or you get nowhere in this game.

[Jaall]

So far hate issues is not the only problem we are dealing with. There is also big problem with defense and how much damage you are taking as melee DD. Overall these new updates are just plain old terrible, not implemented well and did not even go through a proper testing. Welcome to the new FFXI, say goodbye to fun accessible events and get ready for shouts and LFG for a perfect party with your perfect jobs and E/M/R shouts or you get nowhere in this game.

Sorry but the expansion is not one big fail, imo the only major issue at the moment is the lack of content because I really don't see much there as far as an expansion goes. All they have done is bring back strategy to a strategy MMO. Sorry it's not WoW but if that's the game you like then there are plenty of the same old MMO's out there. The defence update I actually haven't had much of a problem with because it only really effects mobs of much higher level. I still managed to take on the 6 gear train in silver sea remnants I, solo with 4 archaic gears links, meaning 10 at a time as thf/dnc. I had no issues whatsoever proving that defence hasn't effected anything pre 99.

The things it has effected are 99 events which have been scaled. The whole idea of the change was to bring back jobs that don't get chosen due to zerging everything and bring back strategy so goes completely against what you're saying, and yes you need a good setup, being a tank healer and 4 DD, same as it always was and always should be. You still have the events that can be zerged, take Qilin for example, I don't see people changing strategy on VW proving it works just fine.

The hate issues can be worked on and will be, the expansion is only a few days old, what do you expect? At least they have corrected a couple of their mistakes already. I'm basically counting this release as their beta which is kinda wrong but hey this is SE, it's to be expected! All I can see this expansion as doing is allowing people to play FFXI like they know and love from pre-abyssea while also keeping post abyssea content possible, with the exception of NNI, which strategy has been forcibly changed by SE.

[Oddwaffle]

At the moment, I'm taking 600-800 damage per hit from the hydra boss in salvage on Monk with Whm taking 300-400 damage per hit and pull hate very often. This doesn't count the fact that the boss can hit multiple times that can instantly kill pretty much anyone not a tank now. The damage taken is too much for 1 Whm to cure without getting massive amount of enmity. We often do salvage with only 3-4 people to keep it easier to get unlocks. I think with a low-man content, 3-4 people is about right.

We normally do it with 2 DD 1 healer or 1 extra thf. We could do it with 1 pld 1 thf 1 healer and 1 DD but that will slow us down a lot. The update seems to restrict people from doing things without a certain kind of party config as well as make content harder than it was.

[Jaall]

It makes content harder but that just brings it back to the level FFXI was for 7 years. Before Abyssea it was considered the hardest MMO for a reason, after that it kinda slipped up and just became another WoW. Now it looks like it's back on track in that respect and has something different from the rest. I personally very much miss that satisfaction when you got something that was very hard to obtain, like take CoP 6-4 for example, took a lot of people 30+ tries, at 45 mins per try where most would fail due to the time limit. If you add it all up that's a lot of time and the satisfaction you got when you beat it was incredible. There was no way around that but to have a PLD, and no way that amazing gear would significantly help, just a case of knowing what to do and when, where skill was actually involved. That's what this new update seems to be about and I'm happy for that. It's about time people got some skill, besides all you see everyday is people complaining how Abyssea is "easy mode" then you go complain that it's too hard to get gear. It's not too hard you just need to think about things before you go do them.

[Limecat]

Luckily, I found an instructional video that explains the new flow of combat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sstCC7T0Do4

[Ravensbane]

Anyone playing BST solo in the new areas has probably died while trying to use Snarl and have hate return to them after 1 hit. I used a pet TP move followed by reward and was killed for using Spectral Jig and never hitting the mob myself. SE's attempts to "fix" things in the game almost always result in frustration and irritation. I think I will just take a break from anything involving the "fix" and wait for the repairs to be made. Which means I get to either craft or solo quests that do not require help. Time to get acquainted with the new areas and work on fame there.