Congratulations on your level??

[Candi]

Your opinion is not a fact. That, is common sense. You aren't right anymore than I am.

I appreciate your view that a good player will be good under any condition, but the rest of your response is not appealing. If you have to use belittlement and narcissistic comments you degrade your point.

I can respect your opinion on the topic, but I cannot respect how you argued your point.

A valid point requires no hostility.

[Karbuncle]

Your opinion is not a fact. That, is common sense. You aren't right anymore than I am.

Fair enough, though i dont recall claiming otherwise... but hey, Ihave short term memory. Still, The rest of my non-fact post is common sense. Good players will be good, Bad will be bad. Abyssea changed nothing. Let me introduce you to what is indeed a fact.

Nostalgia'dPlayer: "ToAU Ruined Exping, Colibri/Merits are too easy"
Nostalgia'dPlayer: "Astral Burning ruined exp, Its too easy"
Nostalgia'dPlayer:"Abyssea Ruined Exp, Its too easy"

Players will always Look for a scape-goat to blame when they realize... "damn, people around me are gimp and stupid and can't follow orders". In reality, this isn't Abysseas fault, there's just a lot of dumb
mf'ers in the world, and they're a lot more apparent due to the " Pick up " Nature of the game right now.

I appreciate your view that a good player will be good under any condition, but the rest of your response is not appealing. If you have to use belittlement and narcissistic comments you degrade your point.

I believe it only degrades it only to those who chose ignorant pride over dignified intelligence. Those who are willing to learn and accept easily see past any perceived hostility and see its more of just "Ranting at nobody" than it is picking on one individual, i do this a lot. Its rarely about attacking a person and more about debating a point of view, as is the goal of forums.

Still, I have shown that i understand your side of the argument to the extent i can when i have a different opinion. I've made references several times that I understand the Nostalgia, cause i feel it too. I understand why people find oldschool FFXI Attractive, The social aspect of leveling the old way is gone, Being congratulated on your level is out the window in most situations... But all of this is recaptured in Endgame. Grats on your drop, etc. Its not about ignoring your points, its about debating their legitimacy.

If what you're saying is an opinion, thats great, but I'm not going to let SE think its a great idea to waste time and resources creating a rolled back server, when My opinion feels its not necessary or needed, and they should focus their efforts on future content, not Nostalgia.

As you've said clearly, My Opinion is every bit as valid as yours, this is why I'm stating it. When it comes to opinions, Accepting someones opinion isnt the same as believing it or thinking its right. I can understand where you're coming from, and still think you're super dooper wrong.

A valid point requires no hostility.

This is only true if people show the willingness to accept opinions that differ from theirs. There are, despite what some people try to peddle, people who only respond and understand or even LISTEN to people if they're taking a firm, somewhat hostile tone. Its sad but it happens, and its out there.

So far, your posts have A) Laughed at anyone who disagreed with you B) Accused them of not reading your posts C) Laughing AND Asking if their serious, then laughing more. So on my first hostile note of this post, take that "no hostility" and sell it to someone else cause at this point you're being hypocritical. When you show respect to other posters, I show respect to you.

And no personal offense to you, But so Far every person I've met on the "RoseTinted 2004 FFXI" Bandwagon has been adamant in refuses to admit that 2004 FFXI Kinda sucked, and that the only thing they're remembering is the nostalgia. Plus when someone brings up how "Abyssea ruined FFXI", I want to punch a wall, Because since Abyssea, FFXI is still very much alive and populated... and if FFXI was "Ruined", SE wouldnt have bothered with a new Expansion like Adoulin, they'd of just released more Nickle-dime Expansions like ACP.

Though back to my first sentence, Nostalgia isn't an opinion, its a psychological fact... People romanticize the past because its something they can never recapture. Hint: Your first Girlfriend/Boyrfriend, Your first Kiss, Your first day of School... You're never reliving those days, so you always long for them. This is what you're doing with FFXI. You may not realize or accept it, But This is whats happening to you. It happens to everyone who grows old. It happened to me, It happened to random confused guy above me, and it happened to the posters two pages back.

Nostalgia happens. I know for a fact I look back fondly on old FFXI, but it was never because i enjoyed Grinding Crabs for hours, or putting together failed parties... It was because of the friends I had. Your not going to recapture the joy on some Vacuum Server of Nostalgia, You'll only feel that way again if you let yourself enjoy the new FFXI, with new friends.

[Hercule]

I 300% agree with Candi on everything in this thread

[Alhanelem]

There are many old games with progression server or classic servers that use old school parties to group and level

Many? I only know of one- everquest. It was something of a success there because anyone who still plays everquest is the hardest of the hardcore in terms of MMO players, so it was pretty much right up the entire playerbase's ally particularly if they wanted to start over. For more recent games, that's far less likely to be the case.

[Alhanelem]

I believe it only degrades it only to those who chose ignorant pride over dignified intelligence.

It degrades it to anyone with any sense of dignity. You should not be berating and belittling. You can make your point without resorting to it. You don't need to be offensive to influence people.

[Hercule]

You Karbuncle and Alhanlem with your 3000+ and 4000+ messages on these forums should really stop to post your opinions on everything that poping here, you always repeat the same thing tirelessly, you're always think you're right on everything and argue with other people that don't think like you as if you were at war, personaly I'm just tired of seeing you and I really think for most of the FFXI community you're just a curse who contribued to slowly kill this game and pull it down.

[Elphy]

You Karbuncle and Alhanlem with your 3000+ and 4000+ messages on these forums should really stop to post your opinions on everything that poping here, you always repeat the same thing tirelessly, you're always think you're right on everything and argue with other people that don't think like you as if you were at war, personaly I'm just tired of seeing you and I really think for most of the FFXI community you're just a curse who contribued to slowly kill this game and pull it down.

Karby isn't so bad, from the few encounters we have had in game s/he is fairly decent and even when we disagree in posts, they will explain their perspective and never in a way I have found insulting.

To the latter I cannot comment

[Alhanelem]

You Karbuncle and Alhanlem with your 3000+ and 4000+ messages on these forums should really stop to post your opinions on everything that poping here, you always repeat the same thing tirelessly, you're always think you're right on everything and argue with other people that don't think like you as if you were at war, personaly I'm just tired of seeing you and I really think for most of the FFXI community you're just a curse who contribued to slowly kill this game and pull it down.

What the heck business is it of yours how many posts other people have? And what right do you have to slander others? I can't speak for anyone else you're naming, but I do not think I'm always right, I'm not at war with anyone, and if you want to worry about what's bringing the game down, I'd say it's more likely to be rude jerks who make inflammatory remarks toward other people for no good reason.

Karby isn't so bad, from the few encounters we have had in game s/he is fairly decent and even when we disagree in posts, they will explain their perspective and never in a way I have found insulting.

I will not comment on the latter

We're no better or worse than each other. There is nothing wrong with talking a lot and having opinions. Just because we have them doesn't mean we think we're always right. In general terms, I regard most people around here with the same esteem- nothing more or less than equals, posting because we have things we want to talk about.

You two say you're sick and tired of me/us posting on these boards, well I'm sick and tired of being flamed and insulted just for doing so.

I make one post in this thread and you start attacking me. I did nothing to provoke this.

[Elphy]

I make one post in this thread and you start attacking me. I did nothing to provoke this.

If your talking of me I did no such thing, I just commented on my exp with Karby

[Alhanelem]

If your talking of me I did no such thing, I just commented on my exp with Karby

Mostly I wasn't, but in my eyes you did imply a lot by saying you wouldn't comment. I could have read too far into it though and would apologize if that's the case.

No, it was more directed at heracle, ragging on me and on Karbuncle purely because we post a lot.