Footwork

[Mojo]

Like I said you are out of the loop. Claiming that TP spam is the same due to the fact that you feed more tp but do more damage is proof enough. You are comparing tp given over time (more precilely : tp given per round) to tp/damage ratio which are completely different things.

In order to compare the TP spam from 2 weapons you are going to keep the same haste gear in both case so I don't see how your haste remark is anywhere close to being relevant. Also high haste or low haste doesn't matter for TP spam. Until the point where regain is decisive enough (=never with footwork), what matters is after how many of your rounds the mob is going to get his TPs so if it's getting tp after say 10 of your rounds, wether you have 60% haste or 25% will not change anything ;

faceplam

Are you actually trying to argue that intentionally reducing your attack speed for no benefit other than the mob getting hit less is somehow a good idea, ever? That's all you're accomplishing by using any hand-to-hand weapon other than Ursine Claws +2 while under the effect of Footwork. If you don't see how this would be nearly exactly like removing Haste gear (or simply disengaging) then I suppose I can spell it out for you...

[MarkovChain]

TP spam has nothing to do with TP speed, read again. If you give 2 TP per hit the mob is getting 100% after 50 hits, regarless of the amount of haste. Haste is irrelevant ; what matters is the base TP given per round, and mainly this if you exclude regain and store tp on the mob and you. This is different than considering the amount of TP moves done on you per minute, which would be relevant if your mage is likely to run out of MP due to it not regenering fast enough. That's not what is being discussed here, I am discussing stun locking a mob with shoulder tackle, in which case what matters is the amount of WS that you can do until you are ready to stun and the mob gets 100 tp ( 2 ws duo, 4 solo typically).

[Bulrogg]

Why can't I kick while wielding a staff? Seems like something a monk could do...

On a scale of 0 to 10... I want to swing my staff and kick.

[Nvr]

I can't believe the arguments in this topic. I've learned not to even bother.

[hiko]

TP spam has nothing to do with TP speed, read again. If you give 2 TP per hit the mob is getting 100% after 50 hits, regarless of the amount of haste. Haste is irrelevant ; what matters is the base TP given per round, and mainly this if you exclude regain and store tp on the mob and you. This is different than considering the amount of TP moves done on you per minute, which would be relevant if your mage is likely to run out of MP due to it not regenering fast enough. That's not what is being discussed here, I am discussing stun locking a mob with shoulder tackle, in which case what matters is the amount of WS that you can do until you are ready to stun and the mob gets 100 tp ( 2 ws duo, 4 solo typically).

learn how much TP monster get when hit before saying crap

[Nvr]

I don't even believe posts anymore. Too many people from the BG forums acting stupid on purpose just for their own entertainment.

[Lynchilles]

Lol you guys just got trolled by Pchan (MarkovChain). This dude has been crudding up forums with his nonsensical idiocy for years. He's been laughed off about every other FFXI forum, but seems he found a new playground.

Same guy that argues that a Monk should get Counter +3 and Regain on their Moonshade earrings lol

[Ryozen]

You got me for a second there. It sounded like a pretty good idea, until I realized they were in the same category. It wouldn't be a terrible earring, if MNK was the only job you planned to use it on.

[Greatguardian]

Lol you guys just got trolled by Pchan (MarkovChain). This dude has been crudding up forums with his nonsensical idiocy for years. He's been laughed off about every other FFXI forum, but seems he found a new playground.

Same guy that argues that a Monk should get Counter +3 and Regain on their Moonshade earrings lol

This^. MarkovChain, aka Pchan, has been banned from BG for ages. Even before being banned he was on most people's ignore list. You're pretty safe just ignoring him.

[MarkovChain]

learn how much TP monster get when hit before saying crap

lol ¿

base tp (H2H) => 4.8
base=>7.8
50% subtle blow =>3.9
dAGI thanks to atma(s) of the easy mode : at least -25% => 2.9
penance up =>2.1

ding, failed attempt to look clever.