Footwork

[Greatguardian]

Like I said you are out of the loop. Claiming that TP spam is the same due to the fact that you feed more tp but do more damage is proof enough. You are comparing tp given over time (more precilely : tp given per round) to tp/damage ratio which are completely different things.

In order to compare the TP spam from 2 weapons you are going to keep the same haste gear in both case so I don't see how your haste remark is anywhere close to being relevant. Also high haste or low haste doesn't matter for TP spam. Until the point where regain is decisive enough (=never with footwork), what matters is after how many of your rounds the mob is going to get his TPs so if it's getting tp after say 10 of your rounds, wether you have 60% haste or 25% will not change anything ;

faceplam

Admittedly, seeing as kicks give TP to the mob equal to the TP you'd feed them with a punch, yet give you significantly more TP per kick, you could argue that you WS more often with respect to TP fed to the monster. However, because of how significant the gap is between Victory Smite and Tornado Kick, I'm not sure you'd have a case for dealing more *damage* per TP fed.

I'm not really sure what requires the extreme reduction in TP feed anyways? MNK can easily cap Subtle Blow, and they have Penance up 60% of the time (100% if a second Mnk is around). Trying to reduce TP feed that low just seems superfluous.

[Mojo]

Like I said you are out of the loop. Claiming that TP spam is the same due to the fact that you feed more tp but do more damage is proof enough. You are comparing tp given over time (more precilely : tp given per round) to tp/damage ratio which are completely different things.

In order to compare the TP spam from 2 weapons you are going to keep the same haste gear in both case so I don't see how your haste remark is anywhere close to being relevant. Also high haste or low haste doesn't matter for TP spam. Until the point where regain is decisive enough (=never with footwork), what matters is after how many of your rounds the mob is going to get his TPs so if it's getting tp after say 10 of your rounds, wether you have 60% haste or 25% will not change anything ;

faceplam

Are you actually trying to argue that intentionally reducing your attack speed for no benefit other than the mob getting hit less is somehow a good idea, ever? That's all you're accomplishing by using any hand-to-hand weapon other than Ursine Claws +2 while under the effect of Footwork. If you don't see how this would be nearly exactly like removing Haste gear (or simply disengaging) then I suppose I can spell it out for you...

[Nvr]

This thread is really getting offtopic.
Let's just agree that:

1) Footwork atm is, at best, situational.
2) There are some simple things that could make it much more usable (like more than 2 hits)

Arguing over it's use compared to good H2H weapon is really getting nowhere, let's just hope SE makes it a little better someday.

Also, I really want to ask, did you lose a bet Cream_Soda? Because your sig is just awesome.

[Cream_Soda]

This thread is really getting offtopic.
Let's just agree that:

1) Footwork atm is, at best, situational.
2) There are some simple things that could make it much more usable (like more than 2 hits)

Arguing over it's use compared to good H2H weapon is really getting nowhere, let's just hope SE makes it a little better someday.

Also, I really want to ask, did you lose a bet Cream_Soda? Because your sig is just awesome.

Lol, that's not me

[MarkovChain]

Nope on a scale from 0 to 10, kinematics knows 8, cream soda 1. Nothing in the spreadsheet has been done by creamsoda, ranging from subtle use of probability theory, independance, approximation etc. Stop acting like he bases his work on yours. Like all BG posters, you can only read his work, nothing else.

[Cream_Soda]

Nope on a scale from 0 to 10, kinematics knows 8, cream soda 1. Nothing in the spreadsheet has been done by creamsoda, ranging from subtle use of probability theory, independance, approximation etc. Stop acting like he bases his work on yours.

I guess you can't read

Nah, not at all. Kine gets all the credit for his work. I've done general math. He goes complex as hell into it like factoring in tp overflow and just every minute detail

Like all BG posters, you can only read his work, nothing else.

Again, I'm not kinematics, but lol to say I know nothing is pretty dumb. Again, if you read before you argue, you may not look as dumb.

[Shoko]

Nope on a scale from 0 to 10, kinematics knows 8, cream soda 1. Nothing in the spreadsheet has been done by creamsoda, ranging from subtle use of probability theory, independance, approximation etc. Stop acting like he bases his work on yours. Like all BG posters, you can only read his work, nothing else.

I only just posted incoherently. Definitely seen Creams work before Kine's however (even if it was basic maths), because I remember it making me interested in MNK so long ago. I'm not acting like he bases his work on mine... I have not ever posted a sliver of mathematical information pertaining to MNK (unless you picked your words incorrectly and was referring to Kine).

Personally, I don't care about mathematical stuff unless it pertains to BLU. And even then, it's not my strong suit, so I ask questions to people that are more apt to it. Not sure at all why you have a grudge vs Cream Soda, me, or anyone else on BG, but it's becoming quite hilarious.

You must be one of those people that believe "thinking outside of the box" will make you better than a player than someone that plays by the maths, huh? You sound like a fool.

[Neisan_Quetz]

You can't do math. It's okay, a lot of people can't either.

[Shoko]

Ey, no shame in saying I'm not a math person.

[Neisan_Quetz]

Was referring to nero lol