New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Sambb]

I will not lie and say I am not mad about these new weapons coming in. I feel sorry the most for mythic holders, now while alot of mythics are situational ie yagrush (which btw is never going to be replaced its unique) I am making my coments more around the koga sams KKK pups Ryo drgs and so forth.

These weapons have taken people years to obtain YEARS. Now while relics NOW don't take years they once did. In the current climate relics still can take considerable time to invest in. If your solo probably 3+ months just to get to lvl 75 version.

As a relic holder my aegis isnt exactly goin any where, but I do fear for my ragnarok.

Also it isnt exactly easy to 99 your empy either.

Most people laughing going boohooo sad relic pandas need to just zip it because 99% of you probably don't even have one so of course your going to point and laugh but I can't help it if you either A) suck so bad you couldn't make one or B) suck so bad you couldn't even make one. Or for the other 1% C) just simply didnt want to make one.

IMO SE needs to tread very carefully on how they are adding in new weapons and what they are doing with the old ones. If they are not careful people might just quit.

If they don't want relics empys and dare I say mythics being top tier any more then they need to adjust the requirements of said weapons on how they are made. If your gunning for a mythic and it still takes 1-2-3yrs to build and its completely inferior your simply not going to do this. I am not sure if this is what SE wanted, but I really hope it isn't.

[Jaall]

I think SE have truly done themselves harm with this. Even if they improve R/E/M so that they're slightly better than standard drop weapons that wont be enough for most R/E/M owners. The thing that's so attractive about have one is the fact that they completely outclass every other weapon. If they make them only slightly better than the new weapons it'll be kinda like having a +1 version which considering the effort needed to get a R/E/M wont be enough to warrant getting one or owning one. I just don't see where SE can go with this, just another mistake out of many but they seem to be getting worse every time.

[saevel]

Ok ... you guys realize the newer weapons are not better then most of the current Mythics / Emps / Relics right? You don't make those weapons for the high base D you make them for their special effects.

Rag
+14% Crit Rate
occasionally does 2.5x damage

Mythic Polearm
Makes jumps crit
AM: attacks 2~3x, can proc on WS

Almace
CDC
AM: ODD

Vara
VS
AM: ODD

Spharai
+14% Counter rate
occasionally does 3.0x damage

Those are the real power behind those weapons and the entire reason their so awesome.

Mandau is still best main hand for THF. You still get MS, occasionally does 3.0x damage and attack +40.

[Miiyo]

No. They were weapons for level 75. They were expanded on out of courtesy for the time put into them. There is no effect on them that says "infinite changes to keep as #1." One day ffxi will end and all the work you put into your relic will be nothing but erased data and a memory. If you can't cope with that, don't spend years making one if you're mentally fragile to change. It's for precise posts such as this we get sidegrade after damn sidegrade. Let's just erase all gear except one set and one weapon, and just fight mobs for no rewards for the rest of our FFXI lives. That'll be fun!

[Dew]

Dunno why people getting upset about newer weapons being added that might be decent. I for one welcome the new weapons. Seeing people with the same weapons that were the "best" at 75 or other levels and still having the best after years kind defeats the purpose of mmo progression. I'll be glad when they add new weapons to rival R/E/M and open more options instead of one option that is the best. I'll gladly build the new types of weapons or obtain them. It's a mmo don't expect everything you got to stay the best forever.

[Jaall]

People who make relics, or at least most people, realise that FFXI will one day come to an end and that will be the end of it, but relics etc are declared some super weapons and as such given difficult tasks to obtain them. When you go through all that time and effort you don't expect them to be outclassed by anything especially in a game such as FFXI, and SE making that so by weapons that are essentially "easy to get" in comparison is a massive kick in the teeth to anyone who put the time in to make one. People can bare the fact that the game will end but SE is making that day a lot closer due to a lot of bad choices. Kinda makes you wonder if that is their overall plan.

If these weapons are easy to get and SE don't increase the usefulness of R/E and especially Mythic, I'm afraid a lot of people are gonna complain/quit which will look incredibly bad for SE and the future of FFXI. Yes you have new content but that content doesn't have to make the game too easy, the system worked fine before why can't it now? The only people jumping for joy here are the people who couldn't be assed to make a relic, but then if you don't put the effort in you surely don't deserve it? Relics etc are designed for hardcore players and ok, they may be easier to get now but then tell me, why don't you have one if they're easier?

[Oceanz]

Ok - make Relics/mythics/Empyreans obsolete. But just know that by doing so, you are eliminating 99% of the content players participate in, for the reasons they do it.

I sure hope Seekers of Adoulin has a lot of stuff to do to keep us busy. Because God knows none of us are going to continue spending hundreds of hours working towards weapons and gear that is crap.

GG SE.

Lets see this content that is going to replace what we currently do.


yeah... right lol...

[Areayea]

lol what I think is going to happen is SE is prolly going to release these naakuals and they are going to be like Cerb/Hydra/Khi/pw/av was back in the day... where they'll have a strong weapon hard to camp but they'll drop good BASE weapons... no aftermath, no OOD, no additional buffs to stats ect. which makes REMs better anyway; and we might end up getting additional fixes on the REM weapons anyway, not to mention maybe legendary weapons as our new REM, so it can be RELM XD but anyway we'll see I hope that this fixes it and gives other ppl options... lol anyway that's what I think

[scaevola]

I can't say I wouldn't be okay with it... Cause I'd be able to unlock Mercy whenever the FK i wanted to use it, But It would be a sad resting place for a 99 Empyrean or Relic lol, and a poor replacement

Still look forward to seeing what they have planned, but the wording they used... Let just say I won't be holding my breath lol

The only way this could possibly justify the time and expense of a 99 r/m/e is if the aftermaths come with it.

[SNK]

Guttler still wins over that new Axe. The high base DMG is nice but having 40 Attack with a pretty badass aftermath makes it superior to that new one.

The h2h yeah I know a few MNKs who are raging atm over it. lol