New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Asymptotic]

Let me start by saying I'm a mage job user:

I keep seeing these arguments that R/M/E were always supposed to be the best blah blah blah, etc etc etc.

And then, I take a look at the Claustrum in my inventory and ponder for a moment... Then I take a look at the mythic for my favorite job, SCH - Tupsimati, and ponder some more... And then I consider how 75 Laevateiin lost to the elemental staffs, and how 99 laevateiin loses to the trials staffs without aftermath. And then i consider Nirvana, and how its perp- is equal to that of the trial staffs, and how Uffrat decimates it without aftermath. And then I consider the concept of aftermath, and how much a mage suffers in keeping up 299 tp aftermath of blm, sch, smn, etc etc.

Then I conclude, you melees have nothing to complain about. Mages R/M/E have been crap for years, besides those occasional niche uses (Like Hvergelmir). In my opinion, if we are keeping in mind true equality of investment across all job, either 1 of the following needs to happen:

1. Certain R/M/E get a revamp to keep relevancy. (There are a few that do not need such adjustments - Ryuhinge)
2. A new set of Ultima Weapons come out that require the combination of the 99 versions of R/M/E to complete(not afterglow). The end all, be all weapons.

I would completely agree that they should adjust the mage relics and mythics to actually be useful to the jobs that wield them, however you did know what you were getting before you bought it. That aside, claustrum is the best DD staff (I was skeptical about this, but it holds up to both Empyrean and Plenitas Virga even considering the better gear you get to wear with Plenitas) and is second to AM3 Nirvana for SMN, but Nirvana is worse if you are not maintaining aftermath.

Also, your argument is fallacious (see: ignorantio elenchi, alternatively if you want to lose a few hours of your life, "appeal to worse problems" on TVTropes). TL;DR just because mages have been kicked in the face for years doesn't mean that someone else can't complain for getting kicked in the shin.

(I've provided multiple suggestions for fixing the mage mythics to be good, these are the best I've come up with:

Tupsimati 99 Damage 104 Delay 402
Magic Accuracy +40 Magic Attack Bonus +40
Enhances "Stratagems" V & Augments "Storm"
Weather Affinity: Casting time and recast -25%
Increases magic accuracy and magic damage

Notes

Augments Storm causes storm spells to calculate as double weather.
Enhances Stratagems V enhances the effect of each level of Stratagem
I: Forces Conserve MP to proc on Penury/
II: Doubles the effect of Alacrity
III: Removes the MP / casting time penalty on Accession
IV: Cureskin effect to "Rapture" and Magic Critical Hit Rate +50% to Ebullience
V: +25% duration to Perpetuance and Skillchain Bonus effect to Immanence
(A precedent for this type of step by step enhancement exists with Ryunohige)

Weather Affinity: refers to spells cast matching the current weather. "Increases magic accuracy and magic damage" would be equivalent to Affinity+4 on the magian staves. (I set it considerably lower due to the other effects on the weapon).

Nirvana 99
Accuracy +40
Avatar Perpetuation cost -8
Reduces "Blood Pact" ability recast delay V
Enhances "Blood Pact" effects V
Avatar: Increases Accuracy, Attack and Magic Attack Bonus
Haste +25%

Notes: A logical improvement over the current Nirvana. Halves Blood Pact recast for obvious reasons.
Enhances "Blood Pact" effects each tear is 5% damage for blood pact rage and 10% duration for enhancing Blood Pact: Wards.
Avatar: Haste+25% on pets is not unheard of (PUP can do it always with Turbo Charger) and the Acc / Attack /MAB for the avatar are +40, +25% and +40 respectively.

Laevateinn 99
Enhances "Elemental Seal" Effect II
Maximizes "Conserve MP" activation rate.
Elemental Magic Affinity: Magic Accuracy +6 and Magic Damage +6
Decreases Casting time and Recast time -15%

Notes: Another easy fix. MAB is replaced by Affinity Magic Damage and this basically replaces all Magian Staves for a BLM, serving a similar pupose as Gjallarhorn for BRD. Elemental seal is further augmented to force a magic crit (allowing you to take advantage of mcrit gear even though mcrit is usually a pathetic stat to worry about).

Some of the weapons need a complete redesign though.

Murgleis 99
Accuracy +30 Attack +30 Magic Accuracy +60
Enhances "Composure" effect and Enfeebling Magic Potency
Sword Enhancement Spell: Increases Attack Speed, Accuracy, Attack, and Critical Hit Rate

This one speaks for itself. It's a testament to RDM melee enthusiasts everywhere with a little bit of magery thrown in. "Increases Attack Speed" is JA haste meant to alleviate being ineligible to receive the benefits of Samba.

[Richwood]

I am reading through here wondering to myself as I take a trip to the "official" forums outside BG and FFXIAH, where the heck are the DEVS? Why are they not commenting on these, the concerns of the player base? I have been playing this game 9+ years like many and I am about at my limit with SE.

[Richwood]

As I've said elsewhere, I'm waiting for Matsui's statement on what they plan doing with RME, but if they don't plan on doing this the right way I'm probably going to jump ship. I don't mind adding weapons into the game so that more casual players can play in content without needing to dedicate themselves to getting a ridiculously superior RME weapon, but this is a case of them adding something that completely crushes what was previously the best weapon. Not only does it screw over the RME users, it actually screws casual players too, because I doubt the people who were using Hoarfrosts Blade instead of Ragnarok or someone using Brawny Adargas instead of Spharai beforehand will have the resources to obtain a Naakual Weapon either. Nobody wins in this case- the RME owners lose their best weapon, and the casual players are stuck with weapons that are even worse than what is the best now.

It also indicates a MMO model that I'm simply not interested in. The reason I keep coming back to XI as opposed to other MMOs is because of the content's lastability. While it is true that many pieces are outdated with each patch, to this day there are many old pieces of gear that are still near top-tier if not the top-tier. It encourages you to explore the whole breadth of content rather than asking you to bumrush and bypass all the old content just so you can grind the newer content. This is a model used by other MMOs such as WoW, and while I don't have anything against people that enjoy this model, if I wanted to play an MMO with that model there are many, many games vast superior to XI in terms of mechanics and especially customer service that offer such a model.

I fully expect the sycophants to start flooding in and telling me to get out of the game now, because a forum used to collect feedback clearly isn't the place to have any sort of actual discussion about the game.

Most the long term player base I know feels exactly the way you do including myself. If they do not address a fix to these things soon, I see most of the player base jumping ship with you mate. Also, SE you should know none of us plan to jump to FFXIV. Not a single person I have chatted with says they plan to go that way if FFXI goes south, it only proves to us you will drive FFXIV into the ground also. Being a 20+ year player of squaresoft SE games it is a sad time to see the Final Fantasy series you grew to love so much die this way.

[Asymptotic]

So now that we've determined that obtaining Naakual weapons will not be particularly difficult at all (probably not even as difficult as a level 85 Empyrean) -- what do people think!

[Crusader81]

Most the long term player base I know feels exactly the way you do including myself. If they do not address a fix to these things soon, I see most of the player base jumping ship with you mate. Also, SE you should know none of us plan to jump to FFXIV. Not a single person I have chatted with says they plan to go that way if FFXI goes south, it only proves to us you will drive FFXIV into the ground also. Being a 20+ year player of squaresoft SE games it is a sad time to see the Final Fantasy series you grew to love so much die this way.

I've already gone the way of FFXIV, it's amazing! makes me feel like an idiot for playing this game for the past 9 years.. for so many reason, especially to only to get treated like this at the end.. I cancelled my XI sub and I'm all for XIV! Even though things are horrible over in Vana'diel things in Eorzea have never been better!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhaHh...BgaDV50sGJtWAg
That'll catch you up to where we're at.

When the PS3 XIV players are added in a few weeks, I think you'll be knowing a few people going that way. XIV has already had huge numbers of applicants and they haven't even advertised, It think it'll be just fine.

[Concerned4FFxi]

Hey, that does sound great about 14, but i'm spent over here after 11, so no 14 for me, thanks.

And, since we all dropped $40 on 11 and not on 14, lets get back to Balancing the isssue...

Balance, like REM...
Balance, like that was the word of the centurary last year, this year it's "working as intended"...

[Concerned4FFxi]

So we are only a few hundred shy of 20,000 views, and this thread has yet to recieve offical attention. Why? Because SE has no plans to fix this, and they don't care. A vague answer by the director, 20,000 concerned vbiews and you would think a small response just to clear things up would be in order...if they WERE going to do something about it. Silence, in this case, is another way of saying "Go away! Deal with it."

my problem, and many opthers I imagine, is that all last year the nerf/balance bat was used, but in the end it was all BS, there's no balance, the only balancing SE wants is your money. And if turning 11 into another WOW is going to (in SE's mind) make them money, then screw you, me, and anyone else that gets stepped on. But what SE doesn't figure, because if they did figure they wouldn't release SOA like it is (buggy as hell) or 14 as it was, is I turn into slippery mush when I'm walked on. Watch out you don't slip.

This company has a history of thumbing their noses, wearing blindfolds and earplugs. The only time they pay attention is AFTER their ship hits an iceberg.

[Vold]

I am reading through here wondering to myself as I take a trip to the "official" forums outside BG and FFXIAH, where the heck are the DEVS? Why are they not commenting on these, the concerns of the player base? I have been playing this game 9+ years like many and I am about at my limit with SE.

So we are only a few hundred shy of 20,000 views, and this thread has yet to recieve offical attention. Why? Because SE has no plans to fix this, and they don't care.

/shakeshead

You know, after the entire empyrean weapon debacle that lasted month after month, I had hoped most, if not all of you would have learned your lessons on this subject. If you truly believe, at least as far as the good relic/myth/emp weapons go, that your insanely large investment of gil is going to be shit on, well... I guess I'll say this AGAIN. Also I will note that hex gear imho was meant to be plentiful. I ain't counting it.

If these weapons were not better than what you have then you would not waste your time farming them. Only to have RME improved later and for you to waste more time upgrading them. It's all a scheme to get you to stay logging in. If SE were to do what some people suggest, which is slap me across my face after all the headaches I had to endure earning that gil, namely dealing with idiot seller competition, I would be done with this game and damn sure no chance of wasting my time in 14.

You do not bitch slap that specific part of your playerbase that keeps the game going. At this point in FFXI's lifespan, that is a majority of the FFXI subscribers for damn sure. I refuse to accept SE would be so careless, or that they would want it to happen. They make dumb decisions like everyone does, but this here would be one for the record books.

[Karbuncle]

If these weapons weren't better than RME99, They could still easily beat RME95, and be worth most peoples investments, since not many people plan to take their RME to 99... I still see more 85/90 Empyreans than i can count. Its not hard or far-fetched to create weapons that sh*t on 90~95 RME's, but just a few % behind 99 RME's. This is the kind of balance they should have aimed for.

I mean, I've never looked at an update note and though of quitting because my Relic was still the best... i just instead turned my head toward new armor lol. Though before i worked on my Mandau, I can safely say new daggers gave me a headache. Asteria is just plain retarded. XD

Saddly, its all a pointless debate at this point. Until we know officially what their plans for RME are, if any, its all speculation. Plus, a lot of RME still have superiority, though quite a few lost it.

Edit: Oh and this isn't to you void/

Edit2: Am I the only one who enjoys the stupidity in going "SCREW SQUARE-ENIX AND THEIR MMO, I'M JUMPING TO THEIR NEXT GEN MMO, THAT'LL SHOW EM"?

[Taint2]

Edit2: Am I the only one who enjoys the stupidity in going "SCREW SQUARE-ENIX AND THEIR MMO, I'M JUMPING TO THEIR NEXT GEN MMO, THAT'LL SHOW EM"?

Amen to that, FFXI has been a cash cow for years. If they shut down the servers tomorrow it will go down as a huge business success. The smart move would be to keep the remaining player base happy while investing funds into new products/ventures, they seem to be doing exactly that besides a few butthurt players and their REMs. (6 relics,8 emps here for the record and like the Reive system)