New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Taint2]

I think the numeric values of the Skirmish weapons seem more extravagant than they actually are, but I think it goes without saying that maximum augments they are solid competition. They'll be able to keep up rather well with 99 RME without a doubt.

Well there are only a few weapons they could even compete with.


Gun - Relic/Emp - WSs are game changers
Bow - Relic - Namas and usable by SAM
Scythe - Apoc/Lib
GS - Skirimish with great augments comes close to Rag99 and beats Rag95
H2H - Tlalpoloani looking best for Damage, Spharai obviously for counter tanking
Axe - Skirmishing looking impressive should approach 100 damage with +2 aug
PA - Ryu no contest
Dagger - Skirmish looking great for off hand, RME for main
GA - Ukon/Conq
GKT - REM are all better
Katana - REM all look better
Sword - Almace/Excal

[Karbuncle]

H2H - Tlalpoloani looking best for Damage, Spharai obviously for counter tanking

Not the Skirmish Weapon, It was shown Skirmish Weapon could get Counter+2 and far superior DPS... Plus the Augments are varied a bit so... Could get more counter lol.

As far as the Dagger, Pretty sure the only reason it could fall behind a Mandau is because of the 40 Attack and Mercy, DMG:66 Delay: 183 with Crit+5% (And possibly more augments) is super hard to beat for a dagger... its what a Mandau should look like lol.

h2h- Skirmish Wins against 99 Sphar with right augments.. by 5-10% lol. (from what I've read mind you)
Dagger- Above
Sword- Not enough known about augments.
GS - Kicks Ragna95's a** and comes darn close to 99 Ragna, if n ot better even.
Axe - Probably destroys Guttler
G.axe - Not really enough Info, But i dont see Ukon falling behind cause of the WS
Scythe - Skirmish Scythe is better Damage potential, Apoc is, and always has been, a Utility weapon (Still an amazing one)
Polearm - Explained somewhere, All Polearms suck compared to Ryunohige, so i mean, This one clearly sh*ts on Gungnir and id ont even need to know the Augments on it.
Club - ... Damage?
Staff - SMN Staff is superb, and looking better with each augment i see.
GUN - Its all bout the WS
Bow - Same as Gun mostly

IDK If i forgot anything, But a lot of these weapons have a R M or E Between them that'll probably remain top, But a lot of them also replace a R M or E Amongst their class. 99's included.

[Horadrim]

Not the Skirmish Weapon, It was shown Skirmish Weapon could get Counter+2 and far superior DPS... Plus the Augments are varied a bit so... Could get more counter lol.

As far as the Dagger, Pretty sure the only reason it could fall behind a Mandau is because of the 40 Attack and Mercy, DMG:66 Delay: 183 with Crit+5% (And possibly more augments) is super hard to beat for a dagger... its what a Mandau should look like lol.

h2h- Skirmish Wins against 99 Sphar with right augments.. by 5-10% lol. (from what I've read mind you)
Dagger- Above
Sword- Not enough known about augments.
GS - Kicks Ragna95's a** and comes darn close to 99 Ragna, if n ot better even.
Axe - Probably destroys Guttler
G.axe - Not really enough Info, But i dont see Ukon falling behind cause of the WS
Scythe - Skirmish Scythe is better Damage potential, Apoc is, and always has been, a Utility weapon (Still an amazing one)
Polearm - Explained somewhere, All Polearms suck compared to Ryunohige, so i mean, This one clearly sh*ts on Gungnir and id ont even need to know the Augments on it.
Club - ... Damage?
Staff - SMN Staff is superb, and looking better with each augment i see.
GUN - Its all bout the WS
Bow - Same as Gun mostly

IDK If i forgot anything, But a lot of these weapons have a R M or E Between them that'll probably remain top, But a lot of them also replace a R M or E Amongst their class. 99's included.

GEO/BLM staff shows +40 base MAB, Augments add +18 INT and another +30 MAB.

Yeah I was looking at the gun. It'd be nice to play around with but I don't know that it'll beat Wildfire.

Well there are only a few weapons they could even compete with.


Gun - Relic/Emp - WSs are game changers
Bow - Relic - Namas and usable by SAM
Scythe - Apoc/Lib
GS - Skirimish with great augments comes close to Rag99 and beats Rag95
H2H - Tlalpoloani looking best for Damage, Spharai obviously for counter tanking
Axe - Skirmishing looking impressive should approach 100 damage with +2 aug
PA - Ryu no contest
Dagger - Skirmish looking great for off hand, RME for main
GA - Ukon/Conq
GKT - REM are all better
Katana - REM all look better
Sword - Almace/Excal

The biggest bugbear seems to be Crobaci, honestly. I haven't see much complaining about any other weapon.

[Asymptotic]

I mean, I consider the BLM and SMN staves to be pretty unreasonable intrusions on their mythic counterparts.

[Demon6324236]

The biggest bugbear seems to be Crobaci, honestly. I haven't see much complaining about any other weapon.

That is more or less because everyone made a Ragnarok at some point. Since so many people have now made a 'Bandwagnarok' at some point, the fact it may be knocked down to second place has angered many.

[Karbuncle]

I personally both hate and love the new Dagger.

But yah, Ragnarok was super Band-wagon'd, So those people who jumped on the Wagon are the loudest complainers... Sure Non Wagon owners are just like "Whatevs"

[Asymptotic]

That is more or less because everyone made a Ragnarok at some point. Since so many people have now made a 'Bandwagnarok' at some point, the fact it may be knocked down to second place has angered many.

I personally both hate and love the new Dagger.

But yah, Ragnarok was super Band-wagon'd, So those people who jumped on the Wagon are the loudest complainers... Sure Non Wagon owners are just like "Whatevs"

I didn't make a 'Bandwagnarok' (all of my weapons are notably not bandwagon: 99 Twashtar, 99 Terpsichore, 35/50 assaults from Kenkonken, 95 Mjollnir (there was no motivation for me to 99 it so I didn't bother) except for a random 85 Armageddon I have for the COR I pull out occasionally). But I still don't think that people who made a 99 Ragnarok should be left with an ultimately wasted 200M investment.

[Karbuncle]

I didn't make a 'Bandwagnarok' (all of my weapons are notably not bandwagon: 99 Twashtar, 99 Terpsichore, 35/50 assaults from Kenkonken, 95 Mjollnir (there was no motivation for me to 99 it so I didn't bother) except for a random 85 Armageddon I have for the COR I pull out occasionally). But I still don't think that people who made a 99 Ragnarok should be left with an ultimately wasted 200M investment.

Have you even read any of my other posts >:O

[Siiri]

I hear a lot of complaining from Relic monks. In fact we had 1 relic mnk quit, and a 2nd thinking about it. Also the outclassing of the smn mythic and blm mythic as stated are getting a lot of complaintsl. The skirmish gsword jumps out as well because the damage is crazy high for a gsword, higher than a 99 apoc or liberator, which had been the weapons with the highest damage for drks. Hard to understand for me still. Time will tell I guess.

[Taint2]

Not the Skirmish Weapon, It was shown Skirmish Weapon could get Counter+2 and far superior DPS... Plus the Augments are varied a bit so... Could get more counter lol.

As far as the Dagger, Pretty sure the only reason it could fall behind a Mandau is because of the 40 Attack and Mercy, DMG:66 Delay: 183 with Crit+5% (And possibly more augments) is super hard to beat for a dagger... its what a Mandau should look like lol.

h2h- Skirmish Wins against 99 Sphar with right augments.. by 5-10% lol. (from what I've read mind you)
Dagger- Above
Sword- Not enough known about augments.
GS - Kicks Ragna95's a** and comes darn close to 99 Ragna, if n ot better even.
Axe - Probably destroys Guttler
G.axe - Not really enough Info, But i dont see Ukon falling behind cause of the WS
Scythe - Skirmish Scythe is better Damage potential, Apoc is, and always has been, a Utility weapon (Still an amazing one)
Polearm - Explained somewhere, All Polearms suck compared to Ryunohige, so i mean, This one clearly sh*ts on Gungnir and id ont even need to know the Augments on it.
Club - ... Damage?
Staff - SMN Staff is superb, and looking better with each augment i see.
GUN - Its all bout the WS
Bow - Same as Gun mostly

IDK If i forgot anything, But a lot of these weapons have a R M or E Between them that'll probably remain top, But a lot of them also replace a R M or E Amongst their class. 99's included.

Ninza RareEx
[Main] All Races
DPS: 845 DMG:+38 Delay:+51
LV 99 MNK PUP

Beats



Tlalpoloani RareEx
[Main] All Races
DPS: 1375 DMG+74 Delay:+96 DEX+8 [Element: Fire]+20 "Store TP"+5
LV 99 MNK PUP

??? - what augments have you seen, everything I've read has Tlalpoloani ahead.

Other then that I think we are saying the same thing. Once REM get their augments/upgrades they will be ahead again. People with 85/90emps,95relics will surely be left in the dust as they should be.