New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Crusader81]

I wouldn't call the twilight Scythe fix ASAP, That was in the game for what, Over a year now?

I'd say something like Pets getting Samba bonuses an "ASAP" fix, fking fixed it before i knew it was a thing.

And the content it was being used on, that came out in Dec. little over 3 months ago, and people have only been using the Scythe for way less time than that, but for some reason I will never understand JP felt this was the #1 issue facing FFXI, The GK seems to still work the same.. hmm.

Most Salvage II gear isn't even that great. It's mostly sidegrades and a few good pieces for a few jobs.
And it takes a HELL of a lot longer time to farm than the current SoA weapons/gear

[Concerned4FFxi]

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We can't keep spoon feeding people just because they finished old content. And I'm sorry, but Relics, Empy, and Mythics are decidingly old content.

I agreed with most of what you said but this. The reason why is they just asked those REMs community to do a huge grind to get to 99 and then a few months later trash them. Thats why it will never be right, dispite anything anyone thinks they can say. Their just is no arguing, SE trolled the shit of REMs (two reasons this game is oddly succesful is, there is a sense of accomplishment applied to long ass tasks to complete COP when it was capped, or make a 99, and the stuff like adaman body and REMs always were good so you knew the year or whatever investment you made was worth you time)and I know many people and myself are either quitting or at the least unsubscribing for months until this is balanced. Come on, these weapons should have been alternatives to REMs, so it would be SREMs, not Skirmish Orly.

[Denmork]

I have a feeling that most of the people crying that relics need to die did not obtain anything other maybe an 85 empy. It's a massive time/gil sink to actually build a relic/mythic/emp to 99 and to have that suddenly made useless is more or less a slap in the face to those that stuck it out. Now what I do hope happens is this will kill the 85 emps once and for all since the idea that a half finished weapon counts as a fully upgraded weapon has gone on a bit to long.

[Yinnyth]

I had perfect attendence in my Dynamis linkshell for about 4 years before I was voted to be the sponsor for my gjallarhorn. After becoming sponsor, it took about half a year to finish. 4 and a half years for my gjallarhorn, plus the months it took me to do the level up trials (before Dynamis changes), and the months it took us to farm up enough marrow for all our relics. Let's just round that off and say 5 years of work are in my gjallarhorn.

Duardabla is better overall. Sure, gjallarballads are awesome, but this stupid, pink harp which takes around a month to get to 90, then 2 months of gil farming to complete stomps all over my 5 year investment. I'm ok with that. I'll just have to get myself a pink harp. Easy stuff compared to what I went through before.

Now, I haven't seen any actual reports of someone obtaining these new weapons. Do we know how long it takes to complete one?

[Karbuncle]

I have a feeling that most of the people crying that relics need to die did not obtain anything other maybe an 85 empy. It's a massive time/gil sink to actually build a relic/mythic/emp to 99 and to have that suddenly made useless is more or less a slap in the face to those that stuck it out. Now what I do hope happens is this will kill the 85 emps once and for all since the idea that a half finished weapon counts as a fully upgraded weapon has gone on a bit to long.

Trust me when i say, I'd not even be an ounce surprised to know anyone who thinks R/M/E should be replaced easily don't even know what a 99 M/R/E is lol.

Sh*t takes a lot of work even with todays dynamis. Getting a 99 is no easy task, in either gil or actually killing ADL... Mythics are a pain in the butt all-together, and Empyreans become real pricey for 95~99. The "R/M/E are so easy now" is no better than the uneducated droll mocking WoW for being easy. Its flat out uninformed or idiotic posts.

Getting a 99 of any of those is still extremely expensive or time consuming, and if they buy everything, they had to farm the gil somehow... Maybe a small small percentage of folk had the gil already, but not everyones a Billionaire from Inflation, the average Relic holder probably farmed the entire thing themselves... Most Mythic owners spent tears and sweat on theirs... Sh*ts not easy... Easier than 75 cap? Sure, "Super dooper ez", no.

I had perfect attendence in my Dynamis linkshell for about 4 years before I was voted to be the sponsor for my gjallarhorn. After becoming sponsor, it took about half a year to finish. 4 and a half years for my gjallarhorn, plus the months it took me to do the level up trials (before Dynamis changes), and the months it took us to farm up enough marrow for all our relics. Let's just round that off and say 5 years of work are in my gjallarhorn.

Duardabla is better overall. Sure, gjallarballads are awesome, but this stupid, pink harp which takes around a month to get to 90, then 2 months of gil farming to complete stomps all over my 5 year investment. I'm ok with that. I'll just have to get myself a pink harp. Easy stuff compared to what I went through before.

Now, I haven't seen any actual reports of someone obtaining these new weapons. Do we know how long it takes to complete one?

This is really an apples/Oranges comparison in some ways.

for 2-handed DD, They only have 1 weapon slot. For you as a BRD, you can fully utilize both of your instruments, nearly simulatinously. Plus, G-Horn is still really boss at 99, even if Daurd has more potential. Ghorn is by no means "Replaced" by Daurd, They actually work best in tandem, not individually.

These new weapons? They dont have he same principle, one is superior, one is not. You can't dual wield Great Swords or Great Katanas... While 1-handed DD do get a little break with this, but when it comes down to it, some of these weapons, even not having that "awesome" 11% ODD/OTD on the Main hand, First hit only proc and (mostly) useless Weaponskill... Still outclass their R and in some cases M/E Counterparts.

Spharai is certainly outclassed, And I'm pretty sure Mandau was outclassed by that D:66 dagger... Sh*ts just bonkers. I mean, Its only by a few %, but people pay billions for an extra % of Damage, people spend years for an extra % of Damage.

You can still equip and fully use your Gjallarhorn, My Mandau? A trophy piece at best as it stands, and while i'm sure their plans to make sure my mandau doesnt "go to waste" are well under-way, I just simply can't hold my breath for it.\

now hold the presses!(P.S this is to no specific quoted persons) I'm not saying I hate the idea of getting a new, better weapon... I've always wanted to enhance my potential even further... I'm just saying all of you p*ssing on R/M/E owners need to GFTO with that crap, They worked as hard for their R/M/E as you did for your Aurore gear. JK I love you Pinkies.

[Yinnyth]

It's always an apples/oranges comparison, unfortunately. There is no perfect parallel. So let's instead pretend that one of these new weapons is a horn that has all songs +5. I'd still be ok with that. My gjallarhorn has served me well up until now, and let's face it, I obtained it by playing a game voluntarily. Something I enjoyed doing.

Plus, I'm certain my gjallarhorn would help me in whatever task is required to obtain this new horn. It gives me a leg up on obtaining the new horn that people without gjallarhorn don't have. If I want to stay endgame, I have to keep obtaining whatever the new best is. I have no delusion that because my bard now has the ultimate instrument that I'm set for life and will always be better than anyone who doesn't put forth those 5 years of grinding Dynamis. In fact, that would be darned boring if I never had something new to strive for.

[Karbuncle]

I have plenty of things to strive for.

Hell, We both have plenty of things to strive for... Its those things that go in the other 11 Equip-able Inventory Slots we have... Keeping 1 Inventory Slot locked wasn't exactly a hauntingly horrible idea in my eyes, Which is why I actually worked on the relic.

To each his own though, I can see its easy for you to move on, Me personally, While I'm excited for these new weapons, I'm admittedly dismayed at what it could spell for my Mandau. I simply cannot detach myself from that weapon so easily. I worked on it because it was the best.. and having 1 good solid inventory slot out of my 11 Equipabble slots was a nice idea to me, it made me feel like I had a goal that I could keep with me.

I spent months with my Brother, and an old GF, as well as some old friends, Lowmanning it... I joined a LS and waited in line (sometimes not so quietly) for my Marrows to upgrade it... I put a lot of effort into it, and in an MMO, I know things get outdated, but Relic weapons always had an air of "Certainty" to them, which is why most players worked on em. This certainty was also supported by several developer posts regarding their power and assurance they would remain top tier.

Well regardless whats done is done and if they do something for it, I'll be happy, I know its whatever and life has to go on... But, yah... Again, Happy for weapons, Sad for my Mandau.

[Concerned4FFxi]

I have a feeling that most of the people crying that relics need to die did not obtain anything other maybe an 85 empy. It's a massive time/gil sink to actually build a relic/mythic/emp to 99 and to have that suddenly made useless is more or less a slap in the face to those that stuck it out. Now what I do hope happens is this will kill the 85 emps once and for all since the idea that a half finished weapon counts as a fully upgraded weapon has gone on a bit to long.

I know were your going this, but I don't agree. It's the same mentality SE has, in a reversed fashion.

Whats so bad about a guy with a 90 emnpyrean, he doesn't want to spend the time to 99, It should be be good, but obviously not a 99 SREM. That's the breaks, but why hate on them. You know how many jobs I was gonna and already have built 85s for? Thats the point, a 90 can be for jobs that you enjoy alot but aren't on your 99 REM to do list.

I'd be grinding in abyssea now if I didm't see it as pointless. Instead I'm on the forums. Eventually, I'll stop being here too. How about the guy who spent all his time in WOE because he couldn't team up for an empyrean? SE screwed him over, right? From day one WOE weapons got the shaft, how you gonna keep WOE relievant when SE operates the way they do?

I'd like a new augment attached to shit that takes forever and a day to make, but gets outdated like WOW gear. The augment can say "troll" or "joke", so I know in advance what I'm in for.

Look, from a money making stand point it, was dumb. Outdating REMs and there events with easy to get and overpowered weapons just speads up the clock on ffxi instead of making it another decade cash cow /facepalm SE. . .

90 empyreans were great for the average endgamer, not the true hardcore or a main job. But their are plenty of relic 99 owners that enjoy their 90 empyreans, letting 90 empyreans drop off is dumb also. There's a balance man, or was. . . it should still be the lowest of the grade of legendary weapons (endgame weapons). When you get that job finally maxed out you can got screw off on another job, build a 90 empyrean and still enjoy that job in endgame. You won't be the best, but people know your there.

On a side note, another thing I think SE did stupidly was give out static augments on the gear and weapons. I mean really, I thought they wanted us to GRIND, making the augments random was a no brainer time sink and they didn't even do that right. They didn't shoot themselves in the foot on this one, they blew their damn legs off !

[Concerned4FFxi]

I have plenty of things to strive for.

Hell, We both have plenty of things to strive for... Its those things that go in the other 11 Equip-able Inventory Slots we have... Keeping 1 Inventory Slot locked wasn't exactly a hauntingly horrible idea in my eyes, Which is why I actually worked on the relic.

To each his own though, I can see its easy for you to move on, Me personally, While I'm excited for these new weapons, I'm admittedly dismayed at what it could spell for my Mandau. I simply cannot detach myself from that weapon so easily. I worked on it because it was the best.. and having 1 good solid inventory slot out of my 11 Equipabble slots was a nice idea to me, it made me feel like I had a goal that I could keep with me.

I spent months with my Brother, and an old GF, as well as some old friends, Lowmanning it... I joined a LS and waited in line (sometimes not so quietly) for my Marrows to upgrade it... I put a lot of effort into it, and in an MMO, I know things get outdated, but Relic weapons always had an air of "Certainty" to them, which is why most players worked on em. This certainty was also supported by several developer posts regarding their power and assurance they would remain top tier.

Well regardless whats done is done and if they do something for it, I'll be happy, I know its whatever and life has to go on... But, yah... Again, Happy for weapons, Sad for my Mandau.

The whole goal thing, that's a good way to explain it. Thing is, and what you said is awesome, but it's that mentality of acceptance that SE uses against the players. Don't pay a few months subscriptions, then see if that REM update don't happen. You spent all that time making it, won't you fight for it just a little?

[Crusader81]

It's always an apples/oranges comparison, unfortunately. There is no perfect parallel. So let's instead pretend that one of these new weapons is a horn that has all songs +5. I'd still be ok with that. My gjallarhorn has served me well up until now, and let's face it, I obtained it by playing a game voluntarily. Something I enjoyed doing.

Plus, I'm certain my gjallarhorn would help me in whatever task is required to obtain this new horn. It gives me a leg up on obtaining the new horn that people without gjallarhorn don't have. If I want to stay endgame, I have to keep obtaining whatever the new best is. I have no delusion that because my bard now has the ultimate instrument that I'm set for life and will always be better than anyone who doesn't put forth those 5 years of grinding Dynamis. In fact, that would be darned boring if I never had something new to strive for.

Oh no no.. Let's actually make this comparable to what's going on...
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So let's say they make the 99 horn drop from a 30 min battle 3-6 people,
and it's going to be All songs +7.

K, now how do you feel?