New weapons with higher base damage then relics

[Ziyyigo-Tipyigo]

still think relics should still surpass any weapons out there due to the word "relics"

Allow me to show you my complete collection of relic Warrior's Armor...

[Asymptotic]

I wouldn't have outclassed e/r/m and pulse weapons that easily. Since the player's minds, part of that mindset is building an endgame calibur weapon.besides a few empyreans, I never thought they were worth it past 90. Part of the beauty of the empyreans was you could take them to 90, they werent the best but they weren't junk.

Of course they're going to trash the weapons below 99. Did you wield level 69 weapons at level 75? The only weapons that should see any adjustment are the 99 versions.

[Demon6324236]

Your right, but really when doing this kind of out classing of old gear they really need to adjust the old gear in one of two ways, either A, make it easier to obtain, or B, make it better so it can stand up to the new gear. In other words, they need to make Pulse weapons better drop rates than simply 1% or bellow, or they need to change the weapons to be good enough to stand up to a level 99 weapon, like the new ones. Relics and such got this treatment in the ability to upgrade them, but they did not do it with anything else, and they did not adjust the drop rates on anything but the old Salvage gear so far as I know, so this old gear which is weaker is still a pain to get, harder than weapons which are much better, which is poor design.

[Kincard]

Maybe they'll take this opportunity to make sure the last 2, most expensive upgrades for Empyreans aren't also the most insignificant (outside of Harp). That's always made me go "wat".

[Demon6324236]

Well thanks to the expansion quickly kicking VW in its proverbial balls, those upgrades are probably going to be even worse to attempt, which a somewhat separate issue they need to resolve sometime soon because it effects all pulse weapons and Emp 95+ weapons badly.

[Kincard]

I don't see how that's the case at all. None of the best gear from VW has been outdated in the slightest. See:

-Toci's
-Mekira
-Heka's
-Mala
-Herpaderp Robe
-Athos's everything
-Ogier Helm/Boots
-Rubeus Boots

The Traditional Armor is good, but most of it serves totally different function than those offered by VW. And people will still do VW for gil if they need it, because Bayld isn't worth any gil as anything you trade from it is EX. Depending on what appears down the road you might be right, but none of the big pieces of VW have been toppled or even have any comparable alternatives from Adoulin yet. It's just that VW participation is lower at the moment because of "amg new expansion"- once people get bored of killing roots you'll probably see VW more active again. Not that Pil/other popular VWs don't still fill in about the same amount of time as they did before. I do think that the minor ones like Lancing Lamorak are going to be nearly impossible to find people for now, though.

Pulse Weapons, I agree with you on for the most part, but I never understood why people would do VW with the specific goal of obtaining pulse weapons given their drop rate (~0.05%). That aside, the only one that was truly good was Murasamemaru and that still retains its unique function. Though, really, how many Skirmish simulacrum do you currently own? I don't have a single one and neither do most of the people I know. Given the typical prices on pulse cells I don't think it'd actually be any cheaper to get a Skirmish weapon if you just bought all the entry pieces.

[HimuraKenshyn]

Of course they're going to trash the weapons below 99. Did you wield level 69 weapons at level 75? The only weapons that should see any adjustment are the 99 versions.

Ridill and K club says Hi....

[Asymptotic]

Congratulations for finding two situational exceptions to a general rule that don't really change the point at all.

[HimuraKenshyn]

Congratulations for finding two situational exceptions to a general rule that don't really change the point at all.

That was just the two that came to mine really back in the day a war with axe/ridll was common for those that had a ridll and not situation at all actually. Many pieces of low level gear kept value at 75 hell peeps used peacock charm in tp sets I think many have memory lost on how things used to be for sure. Only until abyssea did things really change heck we are now like wow and that has never been the case in the past.

Hey who all used the level 51 staffs oh wait many still do today.....

[Asymptotic]

I'm glad we can tell the difference between main DD weapons, staves wielded by mages for special effects, random pieces of gear, and incomplete Empyreans. 1.) 1H warior was extremely rare post 2H update. 2.) You're still either missing the point entirely, or just being difficult to be a pain.