Gunblade Specialist

[Zyeriis]

I meant not realistic to add gunblade to the game, not the actual realistic workings of a gunblade.

Wait, what? Changing your argument? I thought your argument was against a new job, that wields gunblades. Or does the following post not say that?

It really isn't that simple. Let's say they introduce the Gunblader specialist. What are they going to do with it? Make it a ranged DD? We already have RNG, and to a cetain extent, COR. Make it a melee DD? We have a billion of those already. Add elemental damage to their bullets? RDMs and SCH/RDMs can already do that with spells. Make it a tank? WAR/PLD/NIN/DNC/THF/BLU can all tank.... Front line support job DD? COR can already do that, and, Evisceration BRDs too. Plus you risk invalidating their buffs (If the Gunblader was allowed to give magic haste to the party, BRD would be dead. COR's buffs aren't too useful, if Gunblader can mimic their attack/mdef/acc buffs, while out DDing COR, it would be more dead than it is now compared to BRD). Front line debuffer? We have NIN/DNC/RDM for that. Front line healer? RDM/DNC/WHM can do that job well.

Now matter how you look at it, you're going to step on someone's toes and as far as the game mechanics go, there's no room for new jobs that won't be a duplicate of another job.

That post right there, is why I brought up giving gunblade to Corsair. No where in that argument did you actually go against the pure addition of just the gunblade. If you're going to, then you need to eat your own words about job balancing. As adding new weapons would be a good way of doing so.

[Alkalinehoe]

Wait, what? Changing your argument? I thought your argument was against a new job, that wields gunblades. Or does the following post not say that?



That post right there, is why I brought up giving gunblade to Corsair. No where in that argument did you actually go against the pure addition of just the gunblade. If you're going to, then you need to eat your own words about job balancing. As adding new weapons would be a good way of doing so.

No, you misunderstand me, I'm against both. There's no reason to add Gunblade just as there's no reason to add the gunblader job. Why am I going to eat my words about job balancing? Adding the gunblade is just unnecessary and is going to be useless or overpowered.

[Zyeriis]

No, you misunderstand me, I'm against both. There's no reason to add Gunblade just as there's no reason to add the gunblader job. Why am I going to eat my words about job balancing? Adding the gunblade is just unnecessary and is going to be useless or overpowered.

Just sounds to me like your anti-adding to the game now. At the same time as saying that it's unbalanced. Which is completely absurd. You need to add and subtract to balance, not just subtract. Your argument for not adding the gunblade boils down to fear, if you're only going to say it would be useless or overpowered. Anyone can say that about any idea that is ever spouted, regardless of any form of truth or falsity behind it. There is no logic in it, only fear of the unknown.

[Alkalinehoe]

Just sounds to me like your anti-adding to the game now. At the same time as saying that it's unbalanced. Which is completely absurd. You need to add and subtract to balance, not just subtract. Your argument for not adding the gunblade boils down to fear, if you're only going to say it would be useless or overpowered. Anyone can say that about any idea that is ever spouted, regardless of any form of truth or falsity behind it. There is no logic in it, only fear of the unknown.

No, I WANT things to be added. Do you really want the precious space we have left used up for a useless weapon only one job will use while they already have a competent WS (Hi2U Wildfire). Adding a new weapon class to an existing job is a pretty *** idea in general.

Your logic is pretty flawed. You feel that anything should just be added to the game without respect to balancing. And balancing is about adjusting what you already have as well. DRK is in a pretty bad state right now, do you really think adding an entirely new weapon class is the best way to solve the problem? I would rather work on their existing WS and weapons and adjust them.

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[Zyeriis]

No, I WANT things to be added. Do you really want the precious space we have left used up for a useless weapon only one job will use while they already have a competent WS (Hi2U Wildfire). Adding a new weapon class to an existing job is a pretty *** idea in general.

Your logic is pretty flawed. You feel that anything should just be added to the game without respect to balancing. And balancing is about adjusting what you already have as well. DRK is in a pretty bad state right now, do you really think adding an entirely new weapon class is the best way to solve the problem? I would rather work on their existing WS and weapons and adjust them.

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And all you seem capable of is flaming and not backing your arguments and turning everything down rather than actually coming up with an idea of your own. From what I've heard, Corsair is in far worse shape than Dark Knight.

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[Alkalinehoe]

And all you seem capable of is flaming and not backing your arguments and turning everything down rather than actually coming up with an idea of your own. From what I've heard, Corsair is in far worse shape than Dark Knight.

How am I flaming? You were the one who attacked me first. I am just pointing your the errors in your defense. All i've been doing is backing up my arguments, which you haven't done. Corsair is in better shape since their WS is pretty much the best Brew WS in the game. Not to mention even without brew their WS damage is consistently higher than DRK's and their ability to use high regain atmas allows them to WS often without feeding TP, while still providing buffs and, if needed, /whm to back up heal.

[Zyeriis]

How am I flaming? You were the one who attacked me first. I am just pointing your the errors in your defense. All i've been doing is backing up my arguments, which you haven't done. Corsair is in better shape since their WS is pretty much the best Brew WS in the game. Not to mention even without brew their WS damage is consistently higher than DRK's and their ability to use high regain atmas allows them to WS often without feeding TP, while still providing buffs and, if needed, /whm to back up heal.

Point out flawed logic/inability to accept anyone else's idea = Flaming.
Calling some one a name (a la fanboy) = Not Flaming.

We no longer need speak under this logic.

[Alkalinehoe]

Point out flawed logic/inability to accept anyone else's idea = Flaming.
Calling some one a name (a la fanboy) = Not Flaming.

We no longer need speak under this logic.

I love how you consistently avoid defending your own, "arguments." Also, your definitions are wrong anyways. Pretty obvious you're just tryin' to troll at this point.

[TearValerin]

I love how you consistently avoid defending your own, "arguments." Also, your definitions are wrong anyways. Pretty obvious you're just tryin' to troll at this point.

Its called the Socratic method, + Ignoratio Elenchi. He is going to ignore your argument, by trying to prove another completely irrelevant point via defining terms from your argument. It is a logical fallacy, and it kind of is lolworthy when people try to use it, huh o: