[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

[Ilax]

Bah, Dynamis turn abyssea v2, well i am sure many will love that idea since they love how it work in abyssea.

But there's one major problem they don't address yet. How are you going to prevent a cockblocker from literally rampaging the zone and MPKing everybody, leaving semi-exclusivity and the probability that, with enough people cooperating, a smaller group of people can control currency prices -- since it is clear that you probably (short of shout groups) can't do a relic through your own Dynamis anymore after this update.

*Standard monsters will respawn at set time intervals after being defeated.

Won't be anymore like dynamis (strategy) but more like abyssea (seek and destroy), so i guess anyone go in, set a camp and kill.

The update sound ~ok, the only thing i find sad is how DEV turn everything in abyssea style, i definitively see jar,salvage,limbus get the same treatment. (God i hope salvage get same change, the stupid idea of unlocking everything form every event is annoying + the alex drop rate is retarded.)

Yeah I honestly think they should have upped the currency drop rates not lowered them

That wont be a problem if you think more about it, monster will respawn none stop... So you can just set a camp and kill the same bunch of monster back to back (no downtime, no walking, no wipe due to bad pull) So ya i can easy see how lowering drop rate wont change total currency per run.

Anyway the good news is dynamis won't be WoE style...

[Olor]

I would suggest a step by step example of how dynamis is going to work now or better yet a beta test.

Or how about it goes live and people figure it out like they have done with the rest of the content in XI since the game started. People are already taking down the bosses with less than a full alliance - so what is the problem again? People might monopolize content? Riiiiight... cause Dynamis is WAY accessible now?

[Rambus]

dyna being done only for relic weapons.

this isn't a problem. If it's being done at all, that's all that matters. It's like saying Up in Arms is only being done for kraken clubs. I fail to see what's wrong with this.

Have you tried upgrading a weapon? experence hearing the objections of doing an event just for you? BCNM is no where near the same level of this. you do not understand what it is like.

Dyna NEEDS to have more appeal then just farming for relic weapons. if you do not beleave me look what happened to mythics. people DO NOT LIKE doing stuff that only benfits one person.

these changes as of now are pointless, it was wasted time of the DEV team to to come up with the ideas they did. dyna NEEDS more changes then this list, just like stuff that is involved with getting mythics.

People in general DO NOT do things for an extended period of time that only benefits one person, that is why mythic weapon count is so low and so much harder to do now than before.

[Alhanelem]

So... it seems the new nm's, and what they drop, will determine how effective these changes shall be.

Don't think the NMs will be new. e.g. you'd still fight the same NMs if u want to fight the boss, and they'd drop a KI that lets you fight it, instead of just making it appear. This also likely means you don't have to get the boss pop and fight the boss in the same session.

Have you tried upgrading a weapon? experence hearing the objections of doing an event just for you? BCNM is no where near the same level of this. you do not understand what it is like.

I absolutely DO know what it is like, as I started a relic a long time ago. Also, you are apparently unaware of just how many times you have to do that BC to get a kraken club. That thing is so rare it practically is a relic weapon. That's why I made the comparison.

And no, Dynamis was not done "just for me." In fact, I never sponsored a group (for a while, currency was split among everyone interested in a weapon, who had to pay for it, albeit at a slightly reduced rate from the going rate).

Once again, if people do the event, their reason for doing so isn't relevant.

But there's one major problem they don't address yet. How are you going to prevent a cockblocker from literally rampaging the zone and MPKing everybody

The mobs depop, just like anywhere else.

[Olor]

People in general DO NOT do things for an extended period of time that only benefits one person, that is why mythic weapon count is so low and so much harder to do now than before.

This is very true - unless that thing that they are doing for one person is easy to finish off and they will each conceivably get their turn too. That just isn't the case with mythic/relics.

[Ilax]

Don't think the NMs will be new. e.g. you'd still fight the same NMs if u want to fight the boss, and they'd drop a KI that lets you fight it, instead of just making it appear. This also likely means you don't have to get the boss pop and fight the boss in the same session.

That right, it same as it is in abyssea..

New LS schedule incoming:

Monday-Thursday 'we farm Ki / Currency'
Friday~Sunday 'we kill NM'

Because i bet is going to be same as abyssea, initial puller get Ki and you can probably stack Ki for multiple boss, but hey i can see a problem with that too, monopolization of NM. I won't be surprise if you loose those KI after zoning, would be more logic to me... (Anti NM monopolization)

[Rambus]

Don't think the NMs will be new. e.g. you'd still fight the same NMs if u want to fight the boss, and they'd drop a KI that lets you fight it, instead of just making it appear. This also likely means you don't have to get the boss pop and fight the boss in the same session.

I absolutely DO know what it is like, as I started a relic a long time ago. Also, you are apparently unaware of just how many times you have to do that BC to get a kraken club. That thing is so rare it practically is a relic weapon. That's why I made the comparison.

And no, Dynamis was not done "just for me." In fact, I never sponsored a group (for a while, currency was split among everyone interested in a weapon, who had to pay for it, albeit at a slightly reduced rate from the going rate).

NO! it is not the same. and you are not understanding.

read:

experence hearing the objections of doing an event just for you?

only reason to do dyna NOW is for relic weapon currecy, before people that could not get a relic still got something out of dyna. before dyna was an event as sommething to do and to get relic gear.

I will say this again:

People in general DO NOT do things for an extended period of time that only benefits one person, that is why mythic weapon count is so low and so much harder to do now than before.

dyna NEEDS new content to have more appeal then relic weapons.

[Alhanelem]

You should've figured that out when Square-Enix banned most of the prominent players

Nice try, troll, but no, SE did not ban "most of the prominent players." They only banned most of the prominent *cheaters.* Any person could have seen the treasure pool duping had to be a bug, not intended and should not have done it, and exploiting bugs was clearly mentioned in the terms of service. Those people deserved to be banned. Despite this, those people do not represent "the majority of prominent players.

Not that this has any real relevance to the topic, but since you brought it up....

NO! it is not the same. and you are not understanding.

I didn't say it was the SAME. I said it was similar. "Like" does not mean "the same." I fully understand it.

only reason to do dyna NOW is for relic weapon currecy,

You keep saying this, but you fail to provide a good reason why this is a problem. You're forgetting. Dynamis is for 18 people max now. People are going to do this in small groups of friends who want to help their friends, not by giant linkshells that sponsor runs and recruit "free labor."

The metagame of dynamis will change. The peopel doing it will change. And there's no problem with it.

[Ilax]

This is very true - unless that thing that they are doing for one person is easy to finish off and they will each conceivably get their turn too. That just isn't the case with mythic/relics.

People seem to forget too fast why only 1 person get all currency.... It take 6~12month to get 1 relic done doing it that way, who the hell would plan do dynamis 9~18yr long (splitting drop with 18 player)?

This Dynamis V2 wont change anything about this part... The only thing that gonna change is accessibility.

In other word you wan relic? Is the same deal as it always been and hope you have good friend to support you in it....

[Rambus]

Nice try, troll, but no, SE did not ban "most of the prominent players." They only banned most of the prominent *cheaters.* Any person could have seen the treasure pool duping had to be a bug, not intended and should not have done it, and exploiting bugs was clearly mentioned in the terms of service. Those people deserved to be banned. Despite this, those people do not represent "the majority of prominent players.

Not that this has any real relevance to the topic, but since you brought it up....

that is not true