[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

[Naturebeckles]

Alhanelem

You seriously don't understand the economy? How long have you been playing the game?? 4-5years at the most? I have been playing this game since it was in BETA. Abyssea has NO NONE ZIP ZERO effect on the economy. Why? BECAUSE IT IS FREE TO ENTER. Seriously have you ever taken an Economics course in High schoool or College? Granted Gil generation became easier due to Abyssea. HOWEVER CONSUMABLES VIA CRAFTING Still have the HIGHEST affect on the economy. GUESS WHAT! Most of the crafters WANT EVERYTHING. AKA Relics/Mythics/Empyrean. What they can't get by crafting THEY BUY WITH GIL. Where do they get there gil? Crafting Consumables/Buying it from RMT/etc.

All offense intended... YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE BIG PICTURE.

*Laughs for a long time and then coughs*

Um, obviously Redaske you didn't understand your economics class in high school. My Commander's Cape - which cost me 300k on Sylph LESS THAN A YEAR AGO is now worth 20k thanks to Abyssea and the new gear it brought. So, Abyssea has a LARGE effect on the overall economy of the game. Thank you. Class dismissed.

[Alhanelem]

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I was waiting for someone to say that.

[Naturebeckles]

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I was waiting for someone to say that.

*giggles*

[Randwolf]

I'm really not sure why. You most likely won't need a whole LS full of people to help you anymore, because you can go more often with a small team of friends and still make progress just fine, and on top of that, you don't have to pay out 500k a run anymore. I don't see how this hurts anyone who was doing sponsored runs.

Yes, if they complete their relic with a small team, it would most likely cost much less. It will also involve considerably more hours in Dynamis and take a longer time to complete. The big part of the equation that is left out is the free labor. So, what it means is the person getting their relic will most likely do more work, spend more time in Dynamis, and/or pay more Gil to get the currency they need.

p.s. - and in my opinion that is a good thing.

[Naturebeckles]

Yes, if they complete their relic with a small team, it would most likely cost much less. It will also involve considerably more hours in Dynamis and take a longer time to complete. The big part of the equation that is left out is the free labor. So, what it means is the person getting their relic will most likely do more work, spend more time in Dynamis, and/or pay more Gil to get the currency they need.

p.s. - and in my opinion that is a good thing.

I agree also. Right now, our Dyna LS is trying to figure out how these changes will affect our runs. We're not a typical LS... nobody in our LS is building a relic right now (to my knowledge) and we all have most of the gear we want. we basically do Dynamis for fun and for making the gil off the currency we sell. There are some elements of the changes I'm absolutely excited about (like getting exp off of the mobs). but other aspects are vague and don't share enough detail about just how it's going to work... is it going to be like Nyzul Isle as far as reservations not having to be made? Does that mean zone limits will be a full alliance for all zones? Or does that mean we share the zone with a bunch of other groups doing it at the same time? This is something SE could possibly royally screw up. We don't even know what parts of our rules we'll need to change and how yet. It's kind of scary and exciting at the same time. It'll definitely take a while for us to adjust to the changes... I just hope the changes are truly for the best.

[Randwolf]

I agree also. Right now, our Dyna LS is trying to figure out how these changes will affect our runs. We're not a typical LS... nobody in our LS is building a relic right now (to my knowledge) and we all have most of the gear we want. we basically do Dynamis for fun and for making the gil off the currency we sell. There are some elements of the changes I'm absolutely excited about (like getting exp off of the mobs). but other aspects are vague and don't share enough detail about just how it's going to work... is it going to be like Nyzul Isle as far as reservations not having to be made? Does that mean zone limits will be a full alliance for all zones? Or does that mean we share the zone with a bunch of other groups doing it at the same time? This is something SE could possibly royally screw up. We don't even know what parts of our rules we'll need to change and how yet. It's kind of scary and exciting at the same time. It'll definitely take a while for us to adjust to the changes... I just hope the changes are truly for the best.

I'm completely burned out on Dynamis. So, hopefully, these changes will make it interesting again. Maybe I'll even continue on that relic weapon I began.

[Alhanelem]

The big part of the equation that is left out is the free labor.

It's a bit extreme to refer to it as "free labor." It's not like there wasn't all this relic armor dropping that people wanted.

[Randwolf]

It's a bit extreme to refer to it as "free labor." It's not like there wasn't all this relic armor dropping that people wanted.

Bwahaha. Provided by S/E. Just as I said in my post. S/E providing the armor is certainly something that helps the sponsor of runs get people to go. It's also why so many people who aren't pursuing relic weapons vanish not long after completing their armor sets, if that was their main enticement.

p.s. - if I hire you for a job and pay you with someone else's money, what is my net cost for your labor?

[Alhanelem]

True, but in my case, it was people I know that I wanted to see finish their weapons, combined with the fact that the one thing left that I needed to be "done": with dynamis... just never ever dropped. I now have the empyrean piece and still dont have the corresponding relic piece.

[Naturebeckles]

It's a bit extreme to refer to it as "free labor." It's not like there wasn't all this relic armor dropping that people wanted.

I think "free labor" is a good label for some instances. Let's not forget the mostly selfish motives of some people who play. They form or join a group that can directly help them get what they want and then after they're done "using" those people, they're gone... off to find something else to get. That linkshell or group of people just became "free labor".