[dev1000] Dynamis Reborn!

[Lost1anguage]

The logistics of the currency are puzzling to me, if i understand them correctly, SE wants to let me run Dynamis MORE frequently for LESS currency.

Currently I spend 7 hours a week in Dynamis and in those 2 runs my shell can make probably a little more than 6 million gil. After these changes if I'm understanding things correctly I will now need to spend even MORE time in Dynamis to obtain the same amount of currency? I don't understand how this motivates MORE people to enter and run Dynamis. Can someone at SE please enlighten me as to how this is a positive change for the people that habitually run Dynamis currently? It seems like SE is saying we're gonna have to work harder for the same level of loot...

[Bleu_Lakshmi]

Can someone at SE please enlighten me as to how this is a positive change for the people that habitually run Dynamis currently?

I doubt their goal is to create positive change for the people who habitually run Dynamis - because practically nobody does that. Yes, you will probably get less currency per run, but you will be able to enter with more flexibility. There will be more currency spread among the population, which will be an overall net benefit to the economy.

[Randwolf]

I doubt their goal is to create positive change for the people who habitually run Dynamis - because practically nobody does that. Yes, you will probably get less currency per run, but you will be able to enter with more flexibility. There will be more currency spread among the population, which will be an overall net benefit to the economy.

Currently, Dynamis favors people who sponsor runs. The sponsor pays for the glass, the price of which is minuscule compared to the current market value of the currency. You pay those who do the run with either relic armor drops or a promise that you will be doing their relic in the future. Both of which cost the sponsor no Gil. And, often we see people at the bottom of the chain get the shaft when those who got their relic suddenly move on or the Dynamis shell breaks. It doesn't always happen that way. But it happens a lot.

In the new system, currency drops at an unknown lower rate. But the frequency of entry increases 3 fold. Also, the change in Dynamis may make more people do it, fewer people do it, or the same number of people. And people may do it 1 - 7 times a week. I believe the amount of time people can be in the zone has not been announced nor has it been determined if a large number of people in a zone means people would be idle waiting for mobs to pop. Just these factors alone, and there will be others, make for a formula that has so many variables that it would be impossible to determine what the overall impact to currency 'in play' would be.

Now, take the fact that the currency has been dispersed to a wider population who may act with that currency in different ways. Some will sell at market price, some will undercut, some will buy and resell at a profit, as well as the fact that more people may decide to embark upon a relic.

So with a possible wide variance in currency availability, odds are the price of currency will be affected. But how, no one knows. But, whatever the change in currency value, unless it completely tanks, people who used the sponsored runs method will probably find it more costly to complete a relic.

The bottom line is that no one who was completing their relic through sponsored runs wants to see the system changed. Personally, I hate the sponsored run system because it relied on the masses working for gear that was provided by S/E or promises that often went unfulfilled in exchange for allowing someone to have all the dropped currency. Thus, you will see a large number of people who are using sponsored runs to get their gear argue vehemently against changing the system. And most will attempt to use arguments that cannot be substantiated prior to the change versus the argument that will most likely be true, "my relic will cost me more."

[Kirth]

This new Dynamis sounds amazing. The older I get, and the more involved developing my career and personal life, the less time I have to sink into the old FFXI style of gameplay. Any way SE can make the game more accessible and not such a GIGANTIC time sink, I'm all for it. I'd love to be able to log in, get a six man party and go run around in some Dynamis. I can't understand how folks here can defend an aging battlefield that holds little incentive aside from Relic currency, and can last up to three hours. If this indeed makes Relics easier to obtain, flipping AMAZING. After you do manage to acquire one, you still have to do trials to get it up to lv.90.

[Starcade]

Please remember one of my main precepts of this game to understand why this appears to be a VERY bad idea:

Many players get their enjoyment of the game by denying other players that same enjoyment. They win once by getting advancement, and a second time by denying yours.

Unless some constraint is put into all of this, I see "link of death" being a very common occurrence in new-Dyna.

[Crossarius]

I don't care about Dynamis (anymore) so I won't go into the discussion if this change is a good thing as I never liked Dynamis but at least I got through it. It always was way too tedious and repetitive but that is just my personal opinion.

However, there is something else that I find very questionable.
Is this just the first step into "new" semi-endgame by rehashing the old one and change how it works?
We do not know if they will toss into new equipment, which I hope that they won't do that!
In the end I just don't want to see only rehashed stuff!

[Alhanelem]

Unless some constraint is put into all of this, I see "link of death" being a very common occurrence in new-Dyna.

You highly overestimate the number of destructive players in the game. This doesn't happen that much in Abyssea, and since dynamis is sitll going to be far less played than abyssea, it's not going to happen much there either.

[Redaske]

Here is something that I don't think a lot of people realize. NOT ALL but a fair portion of the in game Economy IS Affected by Dynamis. Like it or not people by currency because they like relics. And the prices of currency vary due to the: Supply and Demand. However you won't have the Demand if you don't have crafters/campers/farmers/etc. The Demand won't be there if the GIL isn't there. So what happens when you make something that DOES have a fair amount of affect MORE available to people.... One of two things will happen. Prices will freefall because the supply is Vastly superior.... or then will skyrocket because EVERYONE will be trying to do a relic. As I said in my post earlier:

[SIZE="5"]IF IT ISN'T BROKEN DON'T TRY TO FIX IT![/SIZE]

If you think about it now that Dynamis is easier due to the level cap increase and the new gear.... More currency drops due to TH increases, etc. My Linkshell alone noticed a rough 30-35% increase in currency. Our LS ALSO only runs with an average of 18-24 people. We are fair in the decisions of who sponsors and who doesn't. At this current time we have only 2 sponsors. Myself and one other who is just starting. The only reason we only have 2 and not more is because I'm so close to being done we are mainly focusing on finishing mine. Once mine is completed we have 3 other people lined up to step in and sponsor based on the current Currency needs for the Relic they are trying to complete. So coupled with the already higher drop rates we could literally have a Relic for each member within a couple years.

Now let's say we take and open up the dynamis zones so ANYONE can be in a area. Groups will fight over mobs and ??? spawns. Everyone will be lotting currency some people will sell it and some will keep it. But what happens when the balance of sell/keep shifts one way or the other. THE ENTIRE economy would be affected.

MORE SELL: Supply is massive and the price falls through the floor.
MORE KEEP: The Supply becomes limited and prices skyrocket. So crafters/campers/farmers/etc. will begin charging more for the items they are selling to make up for the increased prices and the lack of supply.

Now SE if you are listening... DON'T BREAK WHAT AIN'T BROKEN

[Ilax]

so ITT: is all logical to destroy the old system of an event that still support over 1,000 player, just because everyone don't like it. Good analogy lol

What i am saying is... there still 1,000+ enjoying and playing dynamis, even if the gear is worthless and E.Wep is an alternative. In the change there no plan for new AF gear, only new pop system that is related to abyssea. I think is fair enough to say they could have done this to Sky where obviously is way more dead then dynamis. And even if Sky still have player loving it, adding new pop would not disturb they event since is already open area, but have more chance to actually revive it by creating a new reason to do Sky.

[1,000 is my personal estimation, just my linkshell is 30 member total, 14 member average at every event. And there 5 linkshell running at same time then us, that make a minimum of 150 player just for 1 server for 2 day/week out of 7day/week] Is probably even more then 1,000 over all server.... but let just say 1,000...

[Hazen]

I can see how much these updates can make relic upgrade trials (for attestation NM and whatever's next) easier or at least quicker to complete, but all the same, for the love of moogles do not make me have to kill Animated Longsword umpteen times (the next thematically appropriate step) or worse, get however-many Holy Fragments. In fact, I don't want to have to step foot in dynamis for anymore relic trials, give me my 2000 killshot trials back.

I liked being able to solo my relic trials, no matter the time it took. I didn't like having to try and organize runs for an event no one wanted to do, hours of others' people time for little gain besides a tally mark off a few people's trials. And all the waiting, worrying about when/if I'll get the next run. I was lucky and after a few weeks managed to get into a group doing dynamis runs for killing the attestation NMs, but it dissolved before I was finished and getting the rest was a monumental headache.

Again, I see how much this new update could help out with regards to completing trials that require something in dynamis (eliminating a lot of the waiting, potentially making it so that you get pop item >> walk to ??? >> pop it and kill in something less than a couple hours once a day for however many days), but all the same, I'd much rather solo something no matter how grindy rather than have more dynamis stuff to do and having to cross my fingers and hope the update dice roll in my favor.

P.S. I'm sure some Mythic owners want killshot trials back too!